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1. Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity (Rohan Garg)
2. Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity (Nowardev-Team)
3. Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity (Rohan Garg)
4. Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity (Volkan Gezer)
5. Re: tablets request (Jussi Schultink)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:48:42 +0530
From: Rohan Garg <[email protected]>
To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity
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Personally I wouldn't do that. If a user is smart enough for wanting another
browser, he should be able to go and install it himself.
Maybe here the problem is that Kubuntu is not advertising the software
centers properly.
From my side, if there's anything we can do to improve this situation from
Muon, I think it would be a huge step forward, and not only for browsers,
but other areas could benefit from such deals. Maybe rekonq can provide a
list of alternatives and use muon to install them? Afterall, chromium
already suggests you other browsers, IIRC.
I am not sure whether or not chromium suggests other browsers, but I
agree that Muon itself needs more exposure, which is why we should :
a) Put it as one of the apps under Favorites
b) Update the feature tour on kubuntu.org to showcase Muon as the
preferred way to install things.
Additionally, you didn't mention in the Con's that it means to add GTK
dependencies, which I'm fine with by the way, but AFAIK right now ubuntu
forked the kde-gtk-config package to not need GTK.
You seem to have misunderstood me, I'll repeat again, I was not
proposing to put Firefox on the Live Media itself. Instead, I was
proposing to have a page in the installer that allows a user to choose
betweek Firefox/Chromium/Rekonq, with Firefox/Chromium being
downloaded during the install phase.
Aleix
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:25:31 +0100
From: Nowardev-Team <[email protected]>
To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity
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2013/2/1 Rick Timmis <[email protected]>
My take is as follows
I believe we should look to keep things simple and unified. Kubuntu has
set out its stall as a default KDE experience, it should stick with that.
encouraging more users to "Try Out" Rekonq, grows the users and testing
community, and provides the potential for greater feedback, and increased
development for the upstream project. This is true for the whole KDE
package set.
if you go here http://www.kubuntu.org/ you will read
Kubuntu, making your PC friendly
and if you know what is ubuntu you should understand that ubuntu is NOT a
distro for testing software
it's linux made simple for end-user. you wanna support rekonq well make an
icon that will install rekonq instead here we got the opposite.
I do not like the idea, of adding questions to the installer, in fact I
feel that it would be better to remove questions, ask less, assume more.
Whilst our technically savvy users may not appreciate this, think about the
broader audience.
We're are trying to persuade Sally Smith, who bought her Laptop from a
local retail store, all fully loaded with all sorts of software. All she
had to do was switch it on and give it a user name and set her password.
That's what we're competing with, so we must try to recreate that user
experience in our own way.
However, you make an excellent point about users not knowing about
Software Centre, but perhaps this could be better served with some
explanatory information that is presented as the installer takes care of
business
ATB
Rick Timmis
if you do a good installer the first things will be
* the partition stuff
*software to install
*keyboard language and user password stuff
then the computer can do all the installation by itself wihout user actions
so adding a question is good , users are not stupid i think a more question
will not kill them expecially if they want install linux that is not a
ultra easy task.
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Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 13:55:35 +0530
From: Rohan Garg <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity
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Sounds like a great idea (again! :D)
Anyone awesome at HTML? You can find the slideshow sources here :
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/files/head:/slideshows/kubuntu/slides/
Would be nice to have some mockups for the next release so that we can
switch before UI freeze.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thursday, January 31, 2013 08:36:59 PM Aleix Pol wrote:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Rohan Garg <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone
Since the default browser seems to be a fairly hot topic in Kubuntu
I'd like to propose the following :
* Keep rekonq as the default browser
* Add a new browser selection page in Ubiquity right after the
"Prepare" page which allows the user to pick one of the the 3
available choices Firefox/Chromium/Rekonq ( rekonq selected by default
)
Pro's : People don't complain (loudly) about our browser selection
For people trying out Kubuntu for the first time who know
nothing about packages and how to install software, it gives them an
easy way to choose a more feature complete browser.
Con's : Adds another step in the installer
While some people might argue that users might not be able to choose
one over the other, this will not hold true for most of the users
since we can safely assume that they have used/heard about either one
of the browsers in the past and already have a preference.
I've also heard some issues being raised about chromium not having a
security cycle in tune with our release cycle, but it seems that
Lubuntu ships Chromium as their default browser.
I'd like to hear everyone's opinions on this.
Regards
Rohan Garg
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Personally I wouldn't do that. If a user is smart enough for wanting
another browser, he should be able to go and install it himself.
Maybe here the problem is that Kubuntu is not advertising the software
centers properly.
From my side, if there's anything we can do to improve this situation from
Muon, I think it would be a huge step forward, and not only for browsers,
but other areas could benefit from such deals. Maybe rekonq can provide a
list of alternatives and use muon to install them? Afterall, chromium
already suggests you other browsers, IIRC.
Additionally, you didn't mention in the Con's that it means to add GTK
dependencies, which I'm fine with by the way, but AFAIK right now ubuntu
forked the kde-gtk-config package to not need GTK.
I think it would be good to have a slide for "here's how you get more stuff"
and possibly "Here's how you get a different web browser" in the feature tour
the runs during the installation. The content of the slide show hasn't
changed in awhile and I think this would be a good improvement.
That'd be a way to introduce the idea of package management and our tools for
getting/updating packaging.
Scott K
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 11:05:19 +0100
From: Volkan Gezer <[email protected]>
To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Browser selection from Ubiquity
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En ?yi Dileklerimle,
Volkan GEZER
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2013/2/1 Nowardev-Team <[email protected]>:
2013/2/1 Rick Timmis <[email protected]>
My take is as follows
I believe we should look to keep things simple and unified. Kubuntu has
set out its stall as a default KDE experience, it should stick with that.
encouraging more users to "Try Out" Rekonq, grows the users and testing
community, and provides the potential for greater feedback, and increased
development for the upstream project. This is true for the whole KDE
package set.
if you go here http://www.kubuntu.org/ you will read
Kubuntu, making your PC friendly
and if you know what is ubuntu you should understand that ubuntu is NOT a
distro for testing software
it's linux made simple for end-user. you wanna support rekonq well make an
icon that will install rekonq instead here we got the opposite.
I do not like the idea, of adding questions to the installer, in fact I
feel that it would be better to remove questions, ask less, assume more.
Whilst our technically savvy users may not appreciate this, think about
the
broader audience.
We're are trying to persuade Sally Smith, who bought her Laptop from a
local retail store, all fully loaded with all sorts of software. All she
had to do was switch it on and give it a user name and set her password.
That's what we're competing with, so we must try to recreate that user
experience in our own way.
However, you make an excellent point about users not knowing about
Software Centre, but perhaps this could be better served with some
explanatory information that is presented as the installer takes care of
business
ATB
Rick Timmis
if you do a good installer the first things will be
* the partition stuff
*software to install
I am also aggree with this.
Before there was a saying about choosing between minimal installation
or custom installation. When it is custom, can users pick their
favourite softwares before installation? For example in openSUSE they
allow everything to be chosen before installation (maybe with yast ,
but I dont know). So basics program installations can be selected. If
user selects these programs, then these may be added to their
Favourite tab in Kickoff.
*keyboard language and user password stuff
then the computer can do all the installation by itself wihout user actions
so adding a question is good , users are not stupid i think a more question
will not kill them expecially if they want install linux that is not a ultra
easy task.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 12:30:47 +0200
From: Jussi Schultink <[email protected]>
To: Kubuntu Developer Discussion <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: tablets request
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Sounds fine to me. Check with Aureliens contact, but if it doesn't work
out, I have no issues with this.
On a related subject, is there a list of transactions we have
done/accounting style thing that can be published?
Jussi
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Aur?lien G?teau <[email protected]> wrote:
Le Wednesday 30 January 2013 15:52:28 Jonathan Riddell a ?crit :
I've been playing around with a borrowed nexus 7 for a few days and
got kubuntu running on it. It's kindae working except QML doesn't
seem to respond to anything (traditional widgets work fine) which is
quite a limitation.
Anyway I'd like to request to the kubuntu council permission to buy a
nexus 7 and an archos G9 101 tablet to keep looking into this and get
kubuntu images made. The cost on amazon.co.uk is ?373.52
Have you tried to contact Matthias Welwarsky regarding Archos tablets?
Maybe
he can get you one at a cheaper price.
Aur?lien
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