On Monday 17 June 2013 15:10:21 Harald Sitter wrote: > ahoy, > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Àlex Fiestas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi there > > > > A few weeks (months?) back I upgraded my parents system to 13.04, they > > were quite scared of doing it themselves so they asked me to do it (which > > is weird since they have done the process already). > > > > So I found this on the systemtray: > > http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/instant%C3%A1nea5_png_750x750_q85.jpg > > > > First I clicked on the bulb since it is the most different icon. I tasked > > me to "Run this action". I did. A terminal opened with some text that since > > I was distracted I was not able to see. Once it finished the bulb appeared > > again in what seemed to be an infinite loop of "Run this action", "Terminal > > Opens", "Bulb appears again". > > > > this issue is really really really weird. so the bulb essentially represent > an ubuntu feature called package hooks. it allows a package to let the user > execute a command after installation/upgrade. this is to move time > consuming or complex configuration out of the installation. > most prominent example is apt-file, which requires a file cache of all > packages available through apt, creating that cache takes ages and requires > an active internet connection so someone moved it into a hook. this allows > the user to create/update the cache after installation when he does not > intend to use the system and has internet available. > > a hook needs to explicitly declare that it wants a terminal to be shown > making it very much a packagers' choice. you could have a gui application > 'myconfig' run via the hook as well, allowing the user to do indepth > configuration of mysql or something without ever showing a terminal. > > all that said, the only reason you'd get this behavior is by having a very > weird package installed (i.e. there are very few archive packages using > this and really only apt-file comes to mind) or the notifier kded module > is/was bugged. > > you could take a look at /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ to see what files > linger there. > > > > Then I clicked the white update icon I think, muon-updater was executed I > > selected all packages when it was suggested that a new version was > > available but I decided to upgrade the current version first. The process > > failed because it was unable to download some packages. > > > > I am not sure whether that was fixed meanwhile... Jonathan? I have been > complaining about this for years :P > What happens is that apt-get update is run -> notifier is shown -> user > waits 3000 days -> clicks notifier -> tries to install -> 404 parade > (though I have to admit this only happens with PPAs, the official archive > does not remove packages). Easy as hell to resolve by simply forcing a > cache update before starting the actual package installations. > > this really should not ever happen. in fact, updates should not ever fail > for no reason what so ever, not even if the internet connection is lost the > flipping update should fail but be put on hold or something. I know, I am > day dreaming again... :( > > > > Then I clicked the other button, the dialog that appeared was not fully > > translated to Spanish (this would be important to my parents). > > > > was it this here thingy? > http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8T_jRbxYK90/T3w0m25UgtI/AAAAAAAADv8/drL2O9WLjqs/s1600/3.png
That beauty should be python3-distupgrade: /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeViewKDE.py > > I do admit that I have not ever looked at upgrade l10n as that is supposed > to be shared with the gnome tool, so it should work(tm) -.- > > > > Once the upgraded finished and I rebooted the computer, I found again two > > icons on the systemtray, this time only the colored upgrade and the bulb. > > > > I clicked the bulb, then "Run this action", then a terminal opened, and > > the bulb was finally gone. > > > > I clicked on the colored icon, muon-updated appeared, upgraded some > > packages and offered me restart. > > > > this is curious. Jonathan, isn't muon-updater supposed to be the monochrome > icon? :O > > > > How can we improve this? what is this bulb doing? can it stop showing a > > terminal? > > > > Can we only show one icon instead of 2 for upgrade? > > > > my best guess for this is that one was the dist-upgrade and one was the > muon-upgrader for regular packages. Jonathan would know. supposedly it > should be still be the same notifier though (perhaps simply use a different > icon if a dist-upgrade is available?). upon clicking it muon-updater comes > up and presents both options. > > > > Why did I have to upgrade just after upgrading? I had bad luck or is it > > normal? > > > > bad luck most likely. though some time ago we discussed the possibility of > phasing non-security updates - such that updates only get offered every 7 > days by default - it would prevent this type of experience fail. > > > I really think we eventually should sit down and fix the > update/upgrade/dist-upgrade experience there are many of these minor issues > that at least to me pretty much wreck the experience (not that anyone likes > doing upgrades anyway, but at least we should make them less awkward ;)). > > HS Philip -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
