On Tuesday, March 03, 2015 09:21:02 AM Harald Sitter wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Valorie Zimmerman > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Harald Sitter <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:47 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:13:37AM -0800, Valorie Zimmerman wrote: > >>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Jonathan Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > writing the status here before we forget it.. > >>>> > > >>>> > scarlett kindy did the backports of kf5 into utopic using the > >>>> > kubuntu-ninjas PPA (after some faff failing to get the > >>>> > kubuntu-next/staging ppa to accept them) > >>>> > they were copied to kubuntu-ppa/next but then we had reports of them > >>>> > causing failed upgrades so they were deleted > >>>> > I tidied up the backport of kglobalaccel which was breaking the > >>>> > upgrades > >>>> > Now when I try to copy them over to kubuntu-ppa/next it complains > >>>> > there is > >>>> > already that version of the package in kubuntu-ppa/next even though > >>>> > there is not > >>>> > > >>>> > if someone has the energy for it they can bump the version numbers in > >>>> > the > >>>> > packages in kubuntu-ninjas and get them all to compile again them > >>>> > copy them > >>>> > to kubuntu-ppa/next. But i'm mostly out of energy for it :( > >>>> > > >>>> > Jonathan > >>>> > >>>> Are we actually supporting next and next-backports for 14.10? My > >>>> broken system makes it appear that we are not. > >>>> > >>>> I suggest that we remove the notice about those in the KDE wiki, and > >>>> suggest people either use one of the ISOs for 14.10 or install Beta 1 > >>>> Vivid. > >>>> > >>>> I've never had an upgrade leave me unable to login to KDE before. Not > >>>> a good experience. I know that the next and next-backports are testing > >>>> material, so I was fairly warned. But we've run out of time to support > >>>> them, so let's cut our losses and put our energy into Vivid. > >>> > >>> This sounds like a realistic idea to me. We don't seem to have the > >>> energy needed for a kf5 backport, we've said there won't be an upgrade > >>> root for 14.10 plasma5 to 15.04, so we'd be perfectly ok it's just a > >>> tech preview and it won't get any better. > >> > >> how does one prevent the user from upgrading if they have next packages? > >> > >> HS > > > > The user will be unable to upgrade, if my experience is at all common. > > If there are no updates, they won't be tempted to, right? > > They will be able to upgrade to 15.04. It just will break their system. > > > We warned next users long ago that upgrade to 15.04 would not be > > supported. > > That's my point. We didn't. We warned people who read our web > resources (website, wiki wherever we put that information). If a user > got information on installing plasma5 from a third party they will > most certainly not have gotten this warning (in part because we > weren't pushing it a lot). In fact even if they used our board tools > (add-apt-repository) to add the PPA they would not have been informed > of the support status of the PPA as the description says nothing about > support [1]. > So all those users know is that they re running plasma5. At some point > they'll be prompted to upgrade to 15.04 and then things will go boom > and the users will get pissed off and complain somewhere about the > shitty upgrade and then whoever they complained to will get pissed off > because 3 million people all complain about the same thing and then we > will get pissed off for having blown up innocent systems.
Alas, as a lark I upgraded my 14.10 box with next and the ci-weekly ppa (to fix a broken plasma on this non-critical system), and am happily cruising along in Vivid with zero problems. I doubt that I would recommend such a path without actual testing, however. >From an overall lack of moaning and teeth-gnashing from forums and social media, I wonder how many 14.10/Plasma 5 users there actually are for whom an upgrade is critical over a fresh install. I agree that the PPAs need to be contain more explicit warnings in the descriptions, but you cannot control what those third party copypasta articles produce. At least a prominent disclaimer would be visible to us users when we (don't) read the output of add-apt-repository. > > > What I'm advocating is no more upgrades in next or next > > backports in 14.10 either. > > Less work is always fine with me ;) > > [1] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next -- Clay Weber -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
