On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 07:42:26 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Aleix Pol <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wednesday, November 11, 2015 07:08:39 PM Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >>> 2015-11-11 7:09 GMT+01:00 Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>: > >>> > [...] > >>> > My personal experience with PackageKit + Apper was very poor. It was > >>> > my > >>> > experience that PackageKit's apt integration was just a thin graft on > >>> > top > >>> > of (or under depending on your perspective) something designed to work > >>> > with RPM and really didn't work at all well in Kubuntu. > >>> > >>> When did you try that last? Since on Debian we never had such issues, > >>> since the switch to the aptcc backend, which performs much better than > >>> the old Python-based apt backend. > >>> PK itself is in no way RPM specific, in fact it even has > >>> Debian-specific facilities built in (e.g. for Debconf support). > >>> It is, however, relatively basic and does not support some advanced > >>> features (like setting packages on hold) - but that's something one > >>> doesn't do in a software center anyway. > >> > >> It was several years ago (probably 3 - 5, but I don't recall). I don't > >> have any more recent experience, so I'm sure it could have changed. > >> > >>> > I don't know if it was because > >>> > of the Apper design or inherent in PackageKit, but it had it's own > >>> > package > >>> > cache that seemed to be frequently out of sync with apt (note: > >>> > aptitude > >>> > does/did something similar and associated problems have caused me to > >>> > stay > >>> > far away from it as well). > >>> > >>> Where did you get that idea from? PK, apt and aptcc never had their > >>> own package cache, and always accessed the apt cache directly. There > >>> is/was a cache for .desktop-file-->package associations, but that one > >>> was only used to display a "launch application" dialog after > >>> installing (and it didn't matter much if that cache was out of sync). > >> > >> Back when I tried it, I regularly saw cases where there were updates that > >> apt was aware of that apper was not. Also, I recall that the only way > >> to determine if additional packages would need to be installed along > >> with a package upgrade was to do a dry run upgrade internally and then > >> if it failed, additional packages were needed. > >> > >> As mentioned above, this was a long time ago and I have not kept up to > >> see if things have changed. > >> > >>> > In my limited free time I've been working on making QApt + Muon work > >>> > better in Debian and if there's a newer thing in that direction to > >>> > test, > >>> > I'd be glad to test it on Debian. > >>> > >>> Please do, but please also use a recent version of PK and QPK - the > >>> version in Ubuntu has been outdated for years, which will be fixed > >>> this cycle as I was told. > >> > >> I'm using whatever is in Debian. > >> > >> Scott K > >> > >> -- > >> kubuntu-devel mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel> > > IMHO Apper usage is completely unrelated to this transition. In fact, > > I doubt that Apper is up to speed yet. The port to Qt5 is very recent > > and it will lack features that an apt-centered alternative can offer > > (such as Muon or Synaptic). > > > > Aleix > > Since this has been quite silent for the last days, I decided to move > on and port the QApt backend to AppStream. > It's in a qapt+appstream branch: > http://commits.kde.org/discover/534290759ae964cd7b47d325019f08a5b507e29e > > Problem: AppStream database in willy is broken and lacks quite some > information (and so does willy+1, but to a lesser extent). This means > that if I merge this patch in master (which I want to do), Plasma/5.5 > Discover on Kubuntu Willy won't work. > > Could somebody please look into updating/fixing the AppStream in willy? > For reference: using this ppa solves all of the problems: > add-apt-repository ppa:ximion/packagekit
For Debian, I'd appreciate it if you would pick up this discussion on debian- [email protected] so we can do what needs to be done to get qapt + appstream working there. I'll be glad to work on that. Scott K -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
