I was hoping a developer would answer this, but I think so long as the 32-bit libraries are available, the 32-bit apps can still run on 64-bit operating systems.
Sent from my iPad > On Jul 1, 2017, at 9:29 AM, dennis knorr <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is an f) > f) 32-Bit-3rd-party-Applications depend on kubuntu 32bit and might be > important in some enterprise environment. > > If you do this, from a release engineering standpoint you should > announce it an release cycle earlier and not break it in the current one > without telling users beforehand... Otherwise people will not have the > ability to switch if it breaks their usecase. > > And if there's not the test coverage.. the people who will need your > platform WILL test it, if/when they want to migrate to the next platform. > > jm2c, > Dennis > >> Am 01.07.2017 um 14:28 schrieb Ferry Toth: >> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:05:39 -0400, schreef Aaron Honeycutt: >> >>> It's not a measure of users, we can't reason something if we don't get >>> enough testers to confirm the quality of the software. >> >> I get that. >> >> However, quoting Valori: "Nor do I have the time to personally >> do the testing for a build I do not and probably never will use." >> >> This should raise the question: why build something for a certain >> platform: >> a) because we can >> b) because we want to use it our self >> c) because there are testers available >> d) because there are a significant amount of existing users >> e) because there are a significant amount of potential new users >> >> Speaking for my self as a developer I am driven often by a) and b), >> however being a business man as well, I find d) and e) the only drivers >> sustainable on the long run. In some exceptional cases a) leads to e), >> those are the ones that make me happy to be an engineer. >> >> But c).. is not a goal, nor a driver. Not having enough testers is a >> problem, and problems need to be solved. >> >> To me, I would like to help testing. But I don't want to break my >> production systems. Testing inside a virtual machine is not very useful >> except maybe for installers, as then everybody tests on the same platform. >> >> Maybe what we need is a test plan, and possibly test automation, like a >> instrumented live iso. If that could select tests based on the platform >> to get maximum test coverage without unnecessarily duplicating already >> tested cases, I'm sure more people would participate. >> >>>> On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Op Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber: >>>> >>>>> The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of >>>>> response here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a >>>>> rather tiny group. One that is likely shrinking even more. >>>> >>>> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt she >>>> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years >>>> old. >>>> >>>> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for lack >>>> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a >>>> specific package (i386 vs ams64). >>>> >>>> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as a >>>> replacement of WinXP and many are i386. >>>> >>>>> The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. Perhaps >>>>> dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun >>>>> 29, 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes: >>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu >>>>>> >>>>>> Please report test results here: >>>>>> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds >>>>>> >>>>>> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test cases, I >>>>>> think we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we >>>>>> get no questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain >>>>>> to support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there any reason to keep it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Valorie >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://about.me/valoriez >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> kubuntu-users mailing list [email protected] Modify >>>>>> settings or unsubscribe at: >>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> kubuntu-users mailing list [email protected] Modify >>>> settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ >>>> mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users >>> <div dir="auto">It's not a measure of users, we can't reason >>> something if we don't get enough testers to confirm the quality of >>> the software.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div >>> class="gmail_quote">On Jun 30, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ferry Toth" >>> <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> >>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" >>> style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Op >>> Fri, 30 Jun 2017 06:55:42 -0400, schreef Clay Weber:<br> >>> <br> >>> > The lack of testers, the lack of bug reports, and the lack of >>> response<br> >>> > here seem to indicate that i386 users in our community are a rather >>> tiny<br> >>> > group. One that is likely shrinking even more.<br> >>> <br> >>> My mother uses i386. But she doesn't read this list. And I doubt >>> she<br> >>> would be able to help testing or write bug reports. She is 76 years >>> old.<br> >>> <br> >>> I don't thing lack of testers or bug reports is a good measure for >>> lack<br> >>> of users. There must be a better way, like counting downloads of a<br> >>> specific package (i386 vs ams64).<br> >>> <br> >>> Don't forget kubuntu is likely to be installed on older machines as >>> a<br> >>> replacement of WinXP and many are i386.<br> >>> <br> >>> > The short lifespans of non-LTS releases do not help, either. >>> Perhaps<br> >>> > dropping support now may be the best time to pull the plug.On Jun >>> 29,<br> >>> > 2017 4:33 PM, Valorie Zimmerman <<a >>> href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</ >> a>> >>> wrote:<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Hello folks, Art Alpha 1 is released today: release notes:<br> >>> >> <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/Kubuntu"; >>> rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/<wbr>ArtfulAardvark/Alpha1/ >> Kubuntu</a><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Please report test results here:<br> >>> >> <a >>> href="http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds"; >>> rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/<wbr>qatracker/milestones/378/ >> <wbr>builds</a><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> If we don't get complete test coverage on the i386 test >>> cases, I think<br> >>> >> we should drop it now. the KCI doesn't build the images, we >>> get no<br> >>> >> questions about 32-bit any more, and it is in general a pain >>> to<br> >>> >> support.<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Is there any reason to keep it?<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> Valorie<br> >>> >><br> >>> >> --<br> >>> >> <a href="http://about.me/valoriez"; rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">http://about.me/valoriez</a><br> >>> >><br> >>> >> --<br> >>> >> kubuntu-users mailing list <a >>> href="mailto:[email protected]";>kubuntu- >> [email protected]</a> >>> Modify<br> >>> >> settings or unsubscribe at:<br> >>> >> <a >>> href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users"; >>> rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kubuntu- >> users</a><br> >>> <br> >>> <br> >>> <br> >>> --<br> >>> kubuntu-users mailing list<br> >>> <a >>> href="mailto:[email protected]";>kubuntu- >> [email protected]</a><br> >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a >>> href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-users"; >>> rel="noreferrer" >>> target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/kubuntu- >> users</a><br> >>> </blockquote></div></div> > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
