https://invent.kde.org/system/distro-release-notifier may help
On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 3:09 AM Erich Eickmeyer <eeickme...@ubuntu.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > In Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, we rely on Discover and the Discover Notifier > to run our GUI-based package updates. I don't care if you personally use apt > periodically from the terminal, a case can be made that we expect our users > to use Discover to do their updates. > > > Unfortunately, Discover is very, very flawed. It uses packagekit as its > backend and its upgrader is designed to do one thing: upgrade packages. By > comparison, the Ubuntu Update Manager will give the user the option to remove > unused packages, unused kernels. and even notify of new Ubuntu releases, > which is something that Discover cannot do since it's built to be as > distribution-agnostic as possible. > > > The lack of notification of new releases means when Release Upgrades are > enabled, Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio users are not notified whether their > systems are set to upgrade to regular releases or LTS releases. This is > especially problematic for users that simply don't know any better. We simply > take for granted that we upgrade our systems, but new users don't necessarily > know that they have to do that, and they don't necessarily pay attention to > release announcements. We can't take that for granted that they automatically > know that or are paying attention; it's not basic knowledge. > > > I have been seeing, with high levels of frequency, users showing-up in the > #kubuntu chat with EOL systems, and users showing up running 20.04 not > understanding why they aren't getting a notification to upgrade to 22.04. We > need to do better from a development standpoint and not let this happen. > Users need to be notified from their systems, not externally. > > > Years ago, update-manager-qt was a thing, and I'm sure update-notifier-qt was > as well. I decided to experiment with both. Unfortunately, I ran into a few > issues, namely that neither exists anymore. Beyond that, using the GTK > equivalents, I ran into a couple of other issues: > > > update-notifier doesn't even show in the system tray when there are updates > on my system, even after a reboot or a relog. Only if I force it by executing > it does it show, but it doesn't go away after running update-manager. > update-manager runs well, but it pops-up a kdialog while running (see > attached screenshot). Perhaps a bug/relic from old days, but definitely > something that needs to be resolved. > > > Honestly, if these things can be resolved and the Qt equivalents can be > resurrected, then it would be a huge boon to the users. Not only would they > have a more robust upgrade management system, but they would also have the > benefit of a Release Upgrade notifier when those times come. > > > Of course, if someone has a better solution and would rather re-invent the > wheel, then sure, but I don't think re-inventing the wheel is ever a good > solution and would rather see collaboration and cooperation first, as is the > Ubuntu spirit. > > > I added ubuntu-devel@ to this discussion since the packages in question are > in "main" and would require the help of some core devs to get some work done. > > > Thanks for hearing me out, > > Erich > > > -- > > Erich Eickmeyer > > Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio > > Member - Ubuntu Community Council > > -- > kubuntu-devel mailing list > kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel -- kubuntu-devel mailing list kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
