Hi folks,I have made a successful install on a production Windows 2003 Server (with some drawbacks, of course)... Don´t ask me details, but Nahum if you like, PM me and I will go with you through my setup...
kind regards, Florian Leeber Ingy dot Net schrieb:
On 02/05/07 11:25 -0400, Nahum Goldmann wrote:Brian, thanks. Too bad this small fact is not noted anywhere in Kwiki documentation, it would save much frustration and weeks of lost time for several people. Brian, I'm considered one of the pioneers of Linux use in the NorthIt's Ingy, fyi.America and my company started to use Perl under Linux, but than had to move to Windows, as 98% of global users use it vs. ~2% of Unix/Linux and ~0.2% Apple. It's not that I'm a big Windows fun but that's where my clients are and they are always right by definition. Linux community might have many good things about it but one of the most insensitive things is to pretend that it develops in the vacuum. Perl was ported to Windows many years back and there is little excuse that a particular module does not operate under it; but even less that the fact that it is "not intended" to run on Windows (I read it as something has been done to ensure it won't run) is not being noted upfront anywhere in its documentation. It's rude and does not help anybody. This is not the way to win friends.I appreciate your concern, but it's just a little off base. True most people in the world use Windows for their desktop OS. But Kwiki is not a desktop app. It is a server app. You are about the only person who has contacted me in the last 3 years wanting to run Kwiki on windows. Everyone runs wikis on unix servers. You can even use Cygwin as I mentioned. Kwiki is also not just a Perl module. It's a huge project with hundreds of modules. While supporting Windows is possible, it is really just a distraction. I have too much project stuff in my life to serve this edge case. My other general purpose Perl modules all support Windows. I'm not anti-windows by a long stretch. I just put my time where it is most useful. Kwiki is a community project. I don't stand in the way of anyone porting it to Windows, but I really can't afford to make this effort myself. Maybe this can be be your cause. You can port Kwiki to windows. I'll definitely support your efforts. I've CCed the Kwiki mailing list just in case anyone else wants to work on a port. Also note that Kwiki only supports Perl 5.8.3 and above. Many people consider it rude to not support back to 5.5.3, but for the same reasons above, it is not a Kwiki priority. In a YAPC talk I gave recently on Kwiki in Tokyo I noted the current Kwiki development is optimized for fun. Windows and old Perls are no fun. Cheers, IngyRegards Nahum Goldmann----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingy dot Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Nahum Goldmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Ingy dot Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 03:35 Subject: Re: KwikiKwiki is not intended to run on Windows. It is only known to work onUnix. Ifyou want, you can try using Cygwin, which is Uni for Windows. Cheers, Ingy On 02/05/07 00:41 -0400, Nahum Goldmann wrote:Brian, perhaps you can refer us to the expert on installing this module on Windows server (rather than Linux) that is hosted for usbyLFC. Note that we use Perl on Windows for ages and have manymodulesinstalled there. They repeatedly tried to install it on several versions of Perl on Windows and it just would not. We are trying it to install for 2 weeks, but absolutely no success. Here is what happens according to the sys admin: ========================================= >From information on the Internet: http://engelke.com/blog/2003/07/ Demonstration. First, install CGI::Kwiki, using the standard Perl functions (I used cpan force install CGI::Kwiki - I had to use "force" because the tests are Unix specific, and fail under Windows, even though the module is okay). ========================================= "Server4, where your account currently is, uses Perl 5.6.1. I can move you to Server22 which uses 5.8.8 build 820. " "I was installing it on a Windows machine. The only error I was given was that there wasn't a module that matched the version of Perl on that server. In fact, I tried it on all of our servers that had unique Perl versions. None of them could find a working install for it. What version of Perl are you using into which you were able to install it?" "The tried the -force switch but it didn't help at all. The version of CGI::Kwiki just isn't going to match the Perl versions we have on our servers, which are all Windows." ======================================= Much appreciated. Thanks and regards Nahum Goldmann----- Original Message ----- From: "Nahum Goldmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Ingy dot Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Brian Ingerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 21:09 Subject: Re: KwikiBrian, thanks. We are still looking at it. It turns out there are well known problems with this module's installation on Windows serverswhicharenot covered by its documentation. I might be back to you with additional questions. Regards Nahum Goldmann----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingy dot Net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Nahum Goldmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Brian Ingerson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 05:57 Subject: Re: KwikiOn 26/04/07 11:27 -0600, Nahum Goldmann wrote: Content-Description: Mail message bodyDear Brian Ingerson We are experiencing some difficulties with installing thismodule.We have done seveal re-installs, changed servers and Perlversions,but it still does not work.The easy way to install Kwiki is documented here: http://www.kwiki.org/?InstallingKwiki2 Hope that helps.Can you recommend us an expert on the installation process? Much appreciated Nahum Goldmann Ottawa, Canada
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