On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 02:50:52AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I think we all agree that this kind of recovery *is* a killer feature. > But it isn't tied to persistance; there are various mechanisms that > could achieve this, not at all necesserily as radical.
This is true, however I have the feeling (with no evidence at all) that other mechanisms are in fact harder to build. That is, persistence gives this recovery (and removal of boot scripts) as a bonus feature, while otherwise it would have to be implemented on its own. My feeling is that implementing the features is harder than implementing persistence. However, estimating such things is much easier if there are actual proposals for how to implement the feature. > > Personally, as long as we have a way to get most POSIX applications > > running on the Hurd, I do not mind a new design. > > Getting POSIX applications running isn't enough. What we need to make > sure is that UNIX users feel comfortable on the system, that it looks > familiar to them. True. And preferably Mac and Windows users should also feel comfortable. Doing all at once would be undoable at least at first, I think. I agree with you that we should start with the current users of the GNU system, since they are most likely to start using the Hurd. Later we can add look and feels which are more like Mac and Windows. In fact I don't think this is our job, and probably others will do it (they have done so already, in fact). > Of course, this still leaves quite a lot of choices about the internal > architecture of the system. However, as for user-visible changes, > radical concepts like system-wide transparent persistance are definitely > ruled out IMHO. Persistence is quite a radical concept internally, but I don't think it's that invasive for the user. That is, except if you consider the sysadmin a user as well. IMO the end users of the system should feel comfortable. We don't need to make things really easy for sysadmins. Obviously we shouldn't make things harder without a reason either, but adding really cool features is a good reason IMO. Thanks, Bas -- I encourage people to send encrypted e-mail (see http://www.gnupg.org). If you have problems reading my e-mail, use a better reader. Please send the central message of e-mails as plain text in the message body, not as HTML and definitely not as MS Word. Please do not use the MS Word format for attachments either. For more information, see http://129.125.47.90/e-mail.html
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