*Now Enrique its no leap since we have had this discussion before and you and friends will never understand* * * *My whole adult life I have been against US interventions from a Marxist point of view even before I knew I was one back since the late 60's.* * * *Stated, acted and have payed a price for it many times.* * * *You, as many confuse what anti imperialism is *
C*onspiracy theories like many Stalinist parties such as PLS, WWP, FRSOC and dozens of dozens of CP's around the world ignore the facts about how the rebellions against Assad and your fav Qaddafi started as part of the Arab Springs, that are still taking place from Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Libya, Syria etc.etc.etc.* *Imperialism has tried to co-opt many some only lasted a short time others are full tilt boogie because of the world econmic crisis.You have never seen me support these Muslim Brotherhoods and other right wing Islamic groups that imperialism created or use.* * * *And once again many, many times I have pointed this out, Venezuela's foreign policy is like most capitalists countries where the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" not one of proletarian internationalism. As a Marxist I am against imperialism interventions but based on a viewpoint of working class interests and socialism not backing despots, dictators and murderers.* * * *In fact Venezuela's Bolivarian revolution has been at war, caused by the US and its junior partners since day 1 and still was nice enough to sell oil to the US war machine and economy, even now they still face the devil knocking at the door when they could have done otherwise and caused a major depression rather than the lessor one we are in, which would have helped to bring down the empire.* * * *I ( my feelings for a very long time)would have and I have seen many Venezuelans say the same thing; cut off the oil, kick out the 400 US companies and others like Spain, China, Iran, etc from Venezuela (trading with the enemy, capitalism) **expropriate** capitalism by taking over the economy still run by them and create one of socialism and workers control ( it would and will spread like wild fire across many countries in the world) .* * * *I respect and honor President Chavez for what he was which, was for the people ( his people want real socialism, he knew that and not all the bureaucrats in Venezuela support it), he was a great man but like all of us, we have faults and he was heading down the path to real socialism but many within( not just the oppo's but so-called revolutionaries who have sabotaged, derail and made deals to try stop it) .* * * *The Bolivarian and world revolutions are not over.* * * *Rojo Rojito* *Cort* *Cort* * * * * On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Enrique Ferro <[email protected]>wrote: > ** > > > Actually, Cort, this text isn't worthy for you. Granted, you slip off the > boat a bit too often in order to justify your odious support of the > murderous fanatic rebels and foreign mercenaries in Syria, or as you did > when you supported the BHL-McCain beloved bandits in Libya, but this text > fits to a lunatic mind's! What are you talking about? Why going back to a > 100-year-old history in Europe, full with innuendos and torrid fantasies, > when you ignore what is currently going on in those countries suffering the > imperialist conspiracy, as Chávez clearly saw and so often denounced? Even > their history you ignore. Everything. You only see "dictators" out of their > context. You refuse to see the Chávez-like harassment they were subject to, > the foreign-funded terrorist "opposition" they had to cope with, the > surrounding states acting on behalf of the empire and far from being > democratic, including Zionist Israel. Your mouth gets full with salivation > when you speak of those "dictators", but you never criticize the "good" > regimes: Bahrain, Qatar, Saudia... Lots of things happen there, that the > MSM scoundrels silence, and you are unwilling to speak about (I mean you > flood us with items over Chávez, thank you btw, but you forget his enemies, > and how he despised them, and that is a bad tribute to him, for all your > sentimentality...) > >> >>>> poor translation from >>>> >>>> http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/chevere/espectaculos/video---parodia-de-snl-despierta-polemica-en-twitt.aspx >>>> >>>> Video | SNL Spoof Twitter arouses controversy >>>> Twitter users flooded the social network messages in both rejection and >>>> defense of the music video. >>>> >>>> >>>> 0 (0 vote (s)) >>>> >>>> [image: cantidad_comentarios] 541 reading (s) >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Video | SNL Spoof Twitter arouses controversy] >>>> The clip sparked controversy (Credits: A) >>>> *A* . - The U.S. show *Saturday Night Live* aired Saturday night its >>>> regular program in which a space dedicated to the *death of President >>>> Chavez.* >>>> >>>> participates in the clip the singer *Justin Timberlake, impersonating >>>> Elton Jonh* and dedicating a song to phrases most *controversial of >>>> President Chavez* . *twitterers flooded the social network messages in >>>> both rejection and defense of the music video* . >>>> >>>> ** >>>> >>>> *Trina Ballesteros * @ *LaBallesteros*<https://twitter.com/LaBallesteros> >>>> >>>> A *Justin Timberlake* allow you entry to Venezuela in 3, 2, 1 ... ** >>>> >>>> *MissSandalia * @ *MissSandalia* <https://twitter.com/MissSandalia> >>>> >>>> Shame *Justin Timberlake* mocked Chavez, Chavez but not the song says >>>> xq reality ** >>>> >>>> *Erika Ortega Sanoja * @ *ErikaOSanoja*<https://twitter.com/ErikaOSanoja> >>>> >>>> First, Argo and Ben Affleck on Iran. Today, SNL and *Justin Timberlake* >>>> against >>>> Vzla. Poor gringos, are the world's most fucked up people. ** >>>> >>>> *Vicente Albarracín * @ >>>> *vic_albarracin*<https://twitter.com/vic_albarracin> >>>> >>>> *Justin Timberlake* parody of Elton John's funeral Chavez on SNL >>>> tonight on USA. >>>> >>>> *Javier Pasamar * @ *javodsgn* <https://twitter.com/javodsgn> >>>> >>>> What balls *Justin Timberlake* doing a skit on SNL about Chavez. Crack >>>> eternal https://www. <https://t.co/hwxBODIGPl>youtube.com / watch? >>>> feature = <https://t.co/hwxBODIGPl>player_embedded & v = VoHQw6VFOzI >>>> <https://t.co/hwxBODIGPl> >>>> ... <https://t.co/hwxBODIGPl> <3 # >>>> <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23manlytears&src=hash> >>>> *manlytears* <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23manlytears&src=hash> ** >>>> <https://t.co/hwxBODIGPl> >>>> **<https://twitter.com/search?q=%23manlytears&src=hash> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23manlytears&src=hash> >>>> >>>> ** <https://twitter.com/search?q=%23manlytears&src=hash> >>>> *rufi warrior @ rufian <https://twitter.com/rufian>* >>>> >>>> *Well dude, Justin Timberlake made a tribute-parody on SNL Chavez. Then >>>> say it is not our rockstar * >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * Video: >>>> * >>>> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VoHQw6VFOzI* >>>> >>>> >>>> www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> They have succeeded in dominating us more >>> through ignorance, than through force. >>> *Simon Bolivar* >>> >>> "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit >>> atrocities." *Voltaire* >>> >>> "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the >>> oppressed" -* Steve Biko* >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *A means can be justified only by its end. But the end in its turn needs >> to be justified. >> >> (Also quoted as "The end may justify the means as long as there is >> something that justifies the end.") >> >> Leon Trotsky >> >> Their Morals and Ours (1938)* >> >> > > > -- > They have succeeded in dominating us more > through ignorance, than through force. > *Simon Bolivar* > > "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit > atrocities." *Voltaire* > > "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the > oppressed" -* Steve Biko* > > > -- *A means can be justified only by its end. But the end in its turn needs to be justified. (Also quoted as "The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.") 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