*Neither, but you sure are fighting hard to protect the fascist Assad. *
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 1:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > See, you change the subject, and muddy the subject, the SPECIFIC points I > am trying to make, then put words in my mouth I've never uttered and then > attack me for that. > > No one was responding in any manner much negatively to you about this > subject. > > Are you CIA or Airforce trained in disinformation? These are the tactic > they are taught to use and never veer from. > > I'm not interested in going all over the place with you about this or > that, I had specific comments about a specific thing you and your marxist > group are doing. > > Scott > > > And what I have been saying for two and a half years that you and others > > can not get is it is just not the recent chemical attacks which I believe > > happened( what of the 100,000 killed and thousands injured and the > > displacement of millions by MIGS dropping cluster bombs, barrel bombs and > > Scud missiles, when your dead your dead it does not matter whether its > > chemicals, bullets or Scuds ). > > > > Even before the US and others made a issue but considering the brutality > > and repression by the Assad regime even before the 13 children in Darra > > wrote on the walls 2 and a half years ago "the people want the fall of > the > > regime", they were arrested, tortured and some killed ( maybe you will > say > > the CIA bought them the paint to do it next and they dying along with the > > others don't matter also because you want do save the fascist regime) > > rallies were held across the country and Assad released the dogs of war > on > > them and that is how it started. NO CIA plot, no outside intervention > > other > > than Iran, Russia and Chinese imperialism. Of which you seemed to > support. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Once again, you ad homenim. > >> > >> The subject I continuously bring up is always avoided, insistence that > >> no > >> other data is pertinent, that no one else has anything to gain except > >> Assad in the gassing of the Syrian People. > >> > >> It is Party Line right out of your Marxists Groups, and it is delivering > >> the same results that Obama and the MSM desire, that we bomb Syria > >> because > >> they did this, when the proof, form Investigations form the UN and > >> Russia > >> and others that people discount because of their names, will not be > >> looked > >> at. > >> > >> Also what isn't looked at is that if the MSM carry's the drums of war, > >> if > >> one is holding up the MSM's and US Governments 'facts' while > >> investigations are being suppressed by those same sources, one should > >> check their data sources if you find your marching along with them. > >> > >> I no longer can take on face value, your Party Line missives for that > >> reason alone, yours for the reason that no discussion of an issue > >> occurs, > >> it all comes back to pointed remarks at any poster that wants to discuss > >> something, not just me, you added Arhata in this as an attempt to shame > >> them. > >> > >> Scott > >> > >> > Scott > >> > > >> > You certainly have not payed attention to my posts of 2 1/2 years on > >> > Syria, if you have come to this wacky conclusion of yours. One can be > >> > against the crimes of the Assad fascist regime and still be against > >> all > >> > imperialists interventions but it seems to be rocket science to you > >> and > >> > others. You can turn a blind eye to them if you like but not I. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Yes, I noted your a Marxist. I may have wrongly slandered someone > >> else > >> >> whom I thought was a Socialist, they used the same sources and the > >> same > >> >> tactics with anyone who tried to have a discussion about data other > >> then > >> >> your emotionally packed has to be true Assad did it, cause your > >> sources > >> >> supported the same things the MSM did, which was the desires of Obama > >> >> and > >> >> the MIC. > >> >> > >> >> I now know more about your philosophy from the posted about Syria > >> then I > >> >> knew before, and I'm sad to say I'm not any more endeared form you > >> then > >> >> the Socialists that insisted on posting uncertain details as hard > >> facts > >> >> whose only purpose can be to sanction the US killing more Syrians, > >> >> because > >> >> Obama said, use gas and I'll bomb you, so gas was used. Oh yes, it > >> has > >> >> to > >> >> be Assad, no other discussion allowed. > >> >> > >> >> Sorry, this only means I have to fact check everything you post just > >> as > >> >> if > >> >> it was the MSM, as the agenda of the MSM/MIC was identical to what > >> your > >> >> Marxists Groups were achieving. > >> >> > >> >> Seriously, I thought if either you or the Socialists who posted the > >> same > >> >> exact things you did, who use the same tactics in replying to those > >> who > >> >> present other views or want a discussion about the oddities and > >> >> uncertainties being listed as positive known facts, that you were the > >> >> type > >> >> that would go Huh? Our actions are supporting Western Imperialism in > >> >> this > >> >> case? Could we not have all the data or has someone got us on a leash > >> >> and > >> >> we didn't notice? > >> >> > >> >> Nope... not a hint of that. > >> >> > >> >> I know that scenario, I've used sources that I thought were trusted, > >> and > >> >> didn't vet the information personally to find out I was used to > >> >> disseminate emotionally charged Imperialist Propaganda. > >> >> > >> >> BTW, the subject was, has been and still is, the posts that claim > >> >> immediately and for certain that Assad is the only possible chance > >> >> anyone > >> >> did exactly as Obama desired so he could appease his psycho masters > >> and > >> >> run up another war profiting account for them. > >> >> > >> >> You asked why would the US or anyone else want to use chemical > >> weapons, > >> >> people told you, and you reacted at them, there was no discussion > >> about > >> >> what was sent to you, only defense of a solid view that cannot be > >> wrong > >> >> and no additional data can ever be looked at and attacks on anyone > >> that > >> >> might point out why Assad would be insane to do as Obama wanted so > >> he'd > >> >> have a justification to bomb more civilians, ANYWHERE. > >> >> > >> >> It's back to the old, it's what is done, what is accomplished not > >> what > >> >> is > >> >> said, that defines the charterer of the person. I really had hoped > >> you'd > >> >> seen you were selling what Obama wanted and might take another look. > >> Oh > >> >> well, at least I know where you stand too when the emotionally > >> charged > >> >> propaganda comes from a source you repeat and defend, while not being > >> >> able > >> >> to have a conversation about the data. > >> >> > >> >> Scott > >> >> > >> >> > Scott > >> >> > > >> >> > So you are saying Russian, Chinese and Iranian imperialism( arms, > >> >> loans, > >> >> > training, banking, intel and capitalist ventures and in the case of > >> >> Iran > >> >> > boots on the ground with Quds Force, Iranian Revolutionary Guards, > >> >> > Hezbollah and 4 Shiite groups from Iraq)) does not also profit from > >> >> the > >> >> > Syrian conflict. And I am not a supporting of any of the > >> imperialist > >> >> and > >> >> > sub imperialist groupings. I am a Marxist. > >> >> > > >> >> > Not some Stalinist, right wing or fascist and liberal or a so > >> called > >> >> > progressive who supports the Assad regime thinking they are anti > >> >> > imperialist. > >> >> > > >> >> > Cort > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Sorry Cort, but you make this sound like the USA benefits from our > >> >> wars > >> >> >> abroad. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Yes, US/England's interference, well actually bloody warfare and > >> >> >> practicing genocide on the indigenous populations is more > >> accurate, > >> >> goes > >> >> >> back to the 1970's it goes back to when all other sources of > >> portable > >> >> >> energy were wiped out in the early 1900's and Oil was the only > >> method > >> >> to > >> >> >> be used, the West has been in and trying to control those who have > >> >> the > >> >> >> black gold. But you insist there is not a profit motive? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The Corporations that help fund political campaigns, whose > >> >> advertising > >> >> >> controls what is actually in our newspapers to the point we have > >> to > >> >> to > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> N Korean news to find something worse, are the beneficiaries. > >> Those > >> >> who > >> >> >> profit from the major user of Oil, the Military Industrial Complex > >> >> uses > >> >> >> 40% of the world supply of Oil. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> As Arhata stated, follow the money. Who profits. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> When the worlds economies and the countries themselves are > >> controlled > >> >> by > >> >> >> those who control the worlds economies, they are the > >> beneficiaries. A > >> >> >> lull > >> >> >> in the oil supply, a lull in the food supply, the foreign > >> nationals > >> >> that > >> >> >> now own 40% of the NATURAL WATER SUPPLIES in the USA can state > >> >> scarcity > >> >> >> and jack prices. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The only real money makers left in the USA has to do with GMO's > >> and > >> >> >> chemicals, destroying food production around the world, making > >> >> >> scarcities > >> >> >> while controlling the only viable food supplies left, as well as > >> >> Weapons > >> >> >> Manufacturing. 12 years ago 40% of US jobs centered around the > >> >> Military > >> >> >> Industrial Complex. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Damn, war is just good business, you don't want to see a massive > >> >> >> depression instead of this little one we're living in now do ya? > >> >> After > >> >> >> all, what other jobs would we have to support our economy? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> So why rule out profit by Oil, as you insist on doing in every > >> >> instance > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> the Middle East? The Oil Corporations based in the US and the UK > >> >> profit > >> >> >> immensely, the players that are religiously polarized in this > >> region > >> >> are > >> >> >> the other players, and duh, they have immense amounts of oil too. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Syria blocks natural gas lines form Saudi Arabia to European > >> supply > >> >> >> depots. Syria blocks sending water from Iraq and Turkey to Israel. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Syria's majority of the population is that of Iran's population > >> too, > >> >> and > >> >> >> those against them have committed the greatest crimes against > >> >> humanity, > >> >> >> using Chemical warfare (Iraq using US supplied WMD's on Iranian's > >> and > >> >> >> Kurds, Israel on Palestinians). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Empowering all factions that are pro invading Syria, by fighting > >> >> anyone > >> >> >> who mentions profit motive, or anything about the major chemical > >> >> warfare > >> >> >> known criminals and their parts in Syria, seems to be a constant > >> >> theme > >> >> >> coming out of your Marxist group. Stating your for the people is > >> >> >> consistent, but empowering the Imperialists to invade seems to be > >> the > >> >> >> end > >> >> >> result that these actions will achieve. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Any discussion, or will I get another personal post instead of > >> >> sticking > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> the subject of, who profits. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Scott > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Before the start of the revolution and now war within many wars, > >> >> Syria > >> >> >> > ranked 32nd in oil production and has now dropped many places > >> >> since. > >> >> >> This > >> >> >> > sound like those who said at the start of the US intervention in > >> >> Iraq > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> > Afghanistan ( real US intervention their began in 1978) that it > >> was > >> >> >> over > >> >> >> > oil.> In Iraq the big oil contacts are with China and > >> Afghanistan > >> >> not > >> >> >> much > >> >> >> > is coming out. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > No, the Syrian revolution began for other reasons and the US, > >> >> Qatar, > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > Saudis, Turkey, Iranian, Chinese, French and Russian > >> imperialists > >> >> and > >> >> >> sub > >> >> >> > imperialist actors on both sides, all have other reasons to > >> co-opt > >> >> or > >> >> >> stop > >> >> >> > it other than oil. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Cort > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Arhata Osho < > >> >> >> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Less than 1% of people died from 'gassing' out of over 100,000 > >> >> >> killed! > >> >> >> >> Is > >> >> >> >> this about gassing of innocent citizens? > >> >> >> >> [image: *=)) rolling on the floor] Wanta buy a bridge from > >> >> Brooklyn? > >> >> >> >> Follow the Money! Is it 'green oil' too > >> >> >> >> How's Iraq doing now? Afghanistan? About 'oil'? [image: *8-| > >> >> rolling > >> >> >> >> eyes]The > >> >> >> >> American citizens finance these wars.[image: *8-} silly] > >> >> >> >> Could that be YOU or people you know? > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ > >> >> >> >> *From:* Cort Greene <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> A US attack on Syria will Prolong the > >> >> >> >> War<http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/attack-syria-prolong.html> > >> >> >> >> Posted on 09/04/2013 by Juan Cole > >> >> >> >> The struggle in Syria began peacefully in spring of 2011, but > >> >> after > >> >> >> >> about > >> >> >> >> half a year it turned violent when the regime deployed tanks > >> and > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> >> heavy munitions against the protesters. Some of the latter took > >> up > >> >> >> >> weapons > >> >> >> >> and turned to violence in revenge. Thereafter the struggle > >> >> spiraled > >> >> >> into > >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> civil war, in which the regime showed itself perfectly willing > >> to > >> >> >> attack > >> >> >> >> civilian city quarters and kill indiscriminately. The struggle > >> has > >> >> >> >> killed > >> >> >> >> over 100,000 persons. As the regime became ever more brutal, > >> the > >> >> >> rebel > >> >> >> >> fighters were increasingly radicalized. Now, among the more > >> >> important > >> >> >> >> groups is Jabhat al-Nusra or the Succor Front, a radical > >> al-Qaeda > >> >> >> >> affiliate. > >> >> >> >> President Obama’s plan to bomb Syria with cruise missiles will > >> do > >> >> >> >> nothing > >> >> >> >> to hasten the end of the conflict. Instead, it will likely > >> prolong > >> >> >> it. > >> >> >> >> *It should be remembered that the US couldn’t end the Iraqi > >> civil > >> >> war > >> >> >> >> despite having over 100,000 boots on the ground in that > >> country. > >> >> It > >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> highly unlikely that Washington can end this one from 30,000 > >> >> feet.* > >> >> >> >> The hope for avoiding another decade of killing is that the > >> >> >> governmental > >> >> >> >> elite and the rebels get tired of fighting and prove willing to > >> >> make > >> >> >> a > >> >> >> >> deal. It is probably too late for Syria to succeed at the kind > >> of > >> >> >> >> transition achieved in Yemen. There, the president stepped down > >> >> and > >> >> >> his > >> >> >> >> vice president ran for his seat. At the same time, members of > >> the > >> >> >> >> opposition were given seats in the cabinet. That kind of > >> >> cohabitation > >> >> >> >> with > >> >> >> >> the former enemy is easier if too much blood hasn’t bee shed. > >> >> >> >> The best solution for Syria would be if President Bashar > >> al-Assad > >> >> >> steps > >> >> >> >> down and the Baath Party gave up its dictatorial tactics. At > >> the > >> >> same > >> >> >> >> time, > >> >> >> >> the rebels would have to forewswear al-Qaeda-type extremism. > >> >> >> >> Probably each side would have to feel that they could not gain > >> any > >> >> >> >> substantial benefit from further fighting, for negotiations to > >> >> have > >> >> >> >> prayer > >> >> >> >> of success. > >> >> >> >> The prospect of a US missile strike is emboldening the rebels. > >> >> They > >> >> >> >> increasingly hope that the US will come in militarily with > >> them. > >> >> >> >> the rebels don’t look at the proposed US missile strikes as a > >> >> limited > >> >> >> >> affair or as solely related to chemical weapons use. Aside from > >> >> >> >> al-Qaeda, > >> >> >> >> they see the US as an ally. Thus, they are complaining that > >> >> Obama’s > >> >> >> >> indecisiveness is emboldening Syrian President > >> >> >> >> al-Assad< > >> >> http://www.elaph.com/Web/news/2013/9/833955.html?entry=Syria>. > >> >> >> >> The US is now part of their strategic calculations and they see > >> >> >> decisive > >> >> >> >> American action as an asset. > >> >> >> >> Obviously, such euphoria at the prospect of US military > >> >> intervention > >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> the rebel side is incompatible with the kind of “pacted” > >> >> transition > >> >> >> >> political scientists favor. The rebels will have every > >> incentive > >> >> to > >> >> >> hold > >> >> >> >> out for ever more forceful outside Syria intervention in the > >> >> coming > >> >> >> >> years. > >> >> >> >> By striking Syria, Obama has all but guaranteed that a > >> negotiated > >> >> >> >> solution > >> >> >> >> becomes impossible for years to come. In the absence of serious > >> >> >> >> negotiations, the civil war will continue and likely get worse. > >> >> The > >> >> >> US > >> >> >> >> should give serious thought to what the likely actual (as > >> opposed > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> ideal) > >> >> >> >> reaction in Syria will be to the landing of a few cruise > >> missiles. > >> >> >> The > >> >> >> >> anti-regime elements will celebrate, convinced that it will all > >> be > >> >> >> over > >> >> >> >> quickly if the US gets involved. The last thing they will want > >> >> will > >> >> >> be > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> negotiate with the regime. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >
