Why is labs constantly failing. My bots keep dying! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!! :p Cyberpower678 English Wikipedia Account Creation Team Mailing List Moderator
> On May 17, 2015, at 14:10, Petr Bena <[email protected]> wrote: > > Note: my previous mail was not intended to Gerard, but all people who > complains about this :) > > Also tool-labs may be a little exception here, high availability is > expected there but this tool was hosted somewhere else though. > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Petr Bena <[email protected]> wrote: >> I agree with Ryan on this, if it's production stuff it shouldn't run >> on labs unless you are OK with outages. There is number of things that >> are more or less considered production, like wm-bot or huggle's >> components, but none of them are critical and it's not a big deal to >> have occasional outage. If your service must be 24/7 it should be on >> production servers and operation team needs to be trained how to >> operate it to ensure high availability. If you fail to do that, you >> can't blame labs people, just yourself. >> >> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Saying a similar service is not recognising the FACT that production grade >>> services are running on Labs. They are. Stating that something similar is >>> worked on does NOT mean that it will indeed replace what is in FACT used in >>> a production manner. Because that means that it is a development criteria to >>> actually replace the functionality itself. >>> >>> I do solute the Labs people in that they have improved the stability of WDQ >>> a lot. They did puppetise the services needed for running many of the tools, >>> they made additional memory available and they collaborated with Magnus on >>> making the services more robust. >>> >>> However, functionality in the pipeline is not what is being used and, >>> theories of what production means is not really what you can observe. They >>> are theories and as such not reliable. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 17 May 2015 at 08:23, Tim Landscheidt <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ryan Lane <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> [WDQ] >>>> >>>>> If it's production-ish, it should likely either be moved to production >>>>> or >>>>> you should put a bit of effort into making it work across multiple >>>>> instances. The ideal goal is for services to be stateless, with their >>>>> state >>>>> living in databases that are also split across instances. It's best to >>>>> have >>>>> the service config managed (ideally puppetized since it's what wikimedia >>>>> uses) so that a loss of an instance is only a brief inconvenience. >>>> >>>> There are efforts to deploy a similar service with >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing (Phabrica- >>>> tor project at >>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikidata-query-service/). >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Labs-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Labs-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l
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