These are of course just my thoughts. No references to back this :) On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Petr Bena <[email protected]> wrote: > That is actually not that easy to decide on. The biggest community are > wikipedia readers. They don't really care about labs at all. Second > biggest community are editors, they don't care so much about labs > either. > > Developer community is not that big and most of money comes from > readers. If there was a way for donors to choose which part of > wikimedia project they would like to support with their money, I doubt > there would be many of them who would actually pick "labs". > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bene* <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think that's exactly the point where WMF is to blame. Labs is a powerful >> place on which lots of communities rely. We need our bots and tools do work >> efficiently, otherwise it is hard to do cool things on wikis. >> >> So the point is, if "it doesn't have so big budget" this is a big mistake >> and the foundation should consider to change that. You see, community gets >> angry if their tools don't work. >> >> Best regards >> Bene >> >> >> Am 18.06.2015 um 16:01 schrieb Petr Bena: >>> >>> Kdyz tady bude kazdy mluvit svym jazykem tak si moc nepokecame... >>> >>> To be fair, labs do work - most of the time, and afaik it doesn't have >>> so big budget, so blaming the foundation is not very nice. It was >>> always meant for development. Ops are actually working hard on it to >>> be as much stable as possible. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Maximilian Doerr >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Any ETA when I can SSH back in and restore my bots? >>>> >>>> Cyberpower678 >>>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >>>> Mailing List Moderator >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:48, Steinsplitter Wiki >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> the foundation isn't able to provide a service that works in real life. >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:47:07 -0400 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE] >>>> >>>> Mist. Ich bekomme wieder beschwerte dass meine Bots schon wieder nicht >>>> funktionieren. :/ >>>> >>>> Cyberpower678 >>>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >>>> Mailing List Moderator >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:45, Steinsplitter Wiki >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Hat was hier los ist damit was zum tun? >>>> >>>> ja :( >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:41:53 -0400 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE] >>>> >>>> Ich kann weder einloggen oder meine Bot Seiten aufrufen. Hat was hier >>>> los >>>> ist damit was zum tun? ACC funktioniert auch nicht. >>>> >>>> Cyberpower678 >>>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team >>>> Mailing List Moderator >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:40, Steinsplitter Wiki >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> @Martin Domdey: hi, ist exakt das selbe was in der vorherigen mail zu >>>> finden >>>> ist, ich erwarte mir von seiten der foundation eine genauere antwort. >>>> z.B. >>>> noch zwei stunden >>>> >>>> um ehrlich zu sein dürfte so etwas nicht passieren, toolslab ist stark >>>> genutzt. >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:08:15 +0200 >>>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE] >>>> >>>> Hey Steini, soll noch mehrere Stunden dauern laut den Technikern ... >>>> >>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 14:55 Uhr >>>> Von: "Steinsplitter Wiki" <[email protected]> >>>> An: "Wikimedia Labs" <[email protected]> >>>> Betreff: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE] >>>> Toolslabs will be back soon? When approximately? >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:09:11 -0400 >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE] >>>>> >>>>> On 15-06-17 09:29 PM, Andrew Bogott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Coren is rebooting and fscking the system -- with luck it'll be up >>>>>> again within the hour. >>>>> >>>>> Fortune does not smile upon us; the fsck is taking a LONG time to >>>>> progress (over a 40T filesystem), but the repair goes apace. >>>>> >>>>> There is already indication of some lost data - though the failures are >>>>> likely to date from a past crash and may have gone unnoticed for some >>>>> time. >>>>> >>>>> Either way, we have a fairly recent (8-9 days) backup of the entire >>>>> filesystem so we may be able to recover lost or corrupted files if any >>>>> turn up. >>>>> >>>>> Worst case scenario is a catastrophic loss of the entire filesystem >>>>> (which does not seem likely at this time), in which case we will restore >>>>> the filesystem completely from the backup. >>>>> >>>>> The repair process will take at least a few more hours, during which I >>>>> will be keeping watch. I will update this list as soon as I have a >>>>> better assessment of the damage, if any. >>>>> >>>>> -- Marc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Labs-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Labs-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Labs-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l
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