Sander nails it on the head.
Please his comments and mine an addendum to the previous report.
Labs is wide open to any committer who wants a lab and is willing to
follow the established lab rules, no matter where this code came from
(their hard drives, sandboxes or otherwise).
This said, we are *NOT* replacing project sandboxes, we are *NOT*
offended of you don't come to us and rather use your own sandbox nor we
ask for a reason for such a move, we do *NOT* suggest projects to avoid
doing sandboxing, we do *NOT* think we nor anybody else should.
I hope this is clear enough.
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Stefano.
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On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:37 PM, J Aaron Farr wrote:
Sander Temme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Anything to add here? Is it the Labs PMC's intention to have labs
replace sandboxes?
...
Thoughts?
I don't think there's much to say other than, "Labs is not intended to
be a sandbox for other PMCs." But looking over the current list of
labs, I don't think any of them fall into this category. It's a
concern we can easily handle when a new lab is proposed.
Actually, I think the fear expressed by "some" had more to do with
the perceived notion that we, Apache Labs, would usurp the sandboxes
operated by individual projects and turn them to our own nefarious
ends in a sinister plot to take over the world.
As far as I am concerned, none of this is true. If projects (or
their committers) come to us and say "we would like to experiment a
bit, can we have a lab, when we're done we'll merge that back into
our tree", we'll say "sure, have at it" (right?). If a project comes
to us and says "we have this dead code in our sandbox that no one is
working on, can't we stash that in a lab?" we might say "sure, let's
have it" or "keep your dump 'n run crap to yourself."
In any case, how about we add the following to the FAQ on labs.a.o:
"Q: Now that we have Labs, can our project still have a Sandbox?
A: Of course you can. Apache Labs do not replace the project
sandboxes. Instead, the Labs were designed to allow individual
Apache committers room to experiment outside the constraints of an
existing project."
and the following to this month's board report:
"We hear confusion has arisen about the purpose of the Labs project.
It has been suggested that it is the aim of the Labs project to
replace any sandbox efforts of individual projects. As the board has
already concluded, this is not the case. Labs VP Stefano Mazzochi's
introductory e-mail was quite clear on the intent and purpose of
Labs. Additionally, the Labs PMC has added an entry to the FAQ list
on labs.apache.org addressing this issue, and will continually dispel
any such notion should it arise in the future."
It's late, anyone who cares to abbreviate or reformulate should feel
free to.
S.
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