On 11 June 2013 19:55, Roy T. Fielding <field...@gbiv.com> wrote: > On Jun 11, 2013, at 6:56 AM, sebb wrote: > >> On 11 June 2013 13:51, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 3:42 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 10 June 2013 00:24, Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: >>>>>> I'm confused. I thought that only a 72 hour lazy consensus was needed >>>>>> to start a new lab. >>>>> >>>>> You're kinda right, lazy consensus, but our bylaws define lazy >>>>> consensus as "at least three +1 and no -1, 72 hours"[0]. There were >>>>> only 2 binding +1's in this case... Given our nature, I was supposing >>>>> we could just relax the 72 hour bit in this case. That clear up your >>>>> confusion? Personally, I'd be supportive of moving to lazy approval >>>>> at some point, but that doesn't change the current quandary >>>> >>>> That's a strange definition of "lazy" consensus; >>> >>> Strange, but clear. I was simply clarifying the misunderstanding. The >>> bylaws hint at how to get it changed - just takes someone with the >>> motivation to do so... >> >> Sorry, but it's still not clear to me. >> >> AFAICT Labs are using standard Consensus, but for some odd reason are >> calling it lazy consensus. > > > At Apache, at least three +1 and no -1 is lazy consensus. > > At least three +1 and a majority of votes cast is lazy majority. > I get to say that because I invented the term. > > lazy == "at least three affirmative" is the quorum requirement
However the Glossary has a different definition of Lazy Consensus / Lazy Approval: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus Also both Incubator and Commons use Lazy Consensus (in the Glossary sense) for some specific votes. > If we had some other quorum requirement, like >50% of the PMC > has to vote before a result can be tallied, then we wouldn't call > that lazy. Fortunately, almost everything we need to do can be done > while being lazy, which is good because I tend to be a slacker. What you describe here as lazy (>=3 +1, 0 -1) is called Consensus Approval in the Glossary: http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#ConsensusApproval Unfortunately it seems both your (original) definition and the glossary definition are separately known as lazy. Not sure how to proceed now. > ....Roy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: labs-unsubscr...@labs.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: labs-h...@labs.apache.org
