On 20 January 2014 20:13, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 20 January 2014 16:49, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20 January 2014 15:14, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On 20 January 2014 16:01, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 20 January 2014 13:38, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > Hi.
>> >> >
>> >> > Our homepage needs a workover, I like the graphic and would not change
>> >> > that, but I propose the following changes:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1) "browse labs" is changed, so labs are grouped according to their
>> >> status.
>> >> >     - each lab get 1 line with a link to a human readable version of
>> the
>> >> > DOA and 1 line with the timestamp of the last commit.
>> >>
>> >> s/DOA/DOAP/ ??
>> >>
>> > thx.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Good idea to autogenerate the contents from the DOAPs.
>> >>
>> >> >    - each lab get a link to their "own" homepage (runs off the labs
>> vm)
>> >>
>> >> That seems like more work for the lab to maintain (and additional
>> >> skills may be needed).
>> >> Would it not be better to generate the pages from a specific directory
>> in
>> >> SVN?
>> >> Labs already need to maintain SVN.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I am not sure its extra work, url would be
>> > http://labs.apache.org/{labname}. The labs committers could change it
>> > directly on the vm.
>>
>> An existing labs user must already be familiar with SVN and how to
>> commit changes to it.
>> However, they will do this on their own host system using tools with
>> which they are alreasedy familiar.
>>
>> This is very different from logging on to a different system (how do I
>> login? logout?), finding the correct file to update, using the strange
>> new editor etc.
>
> huh ? using svn does not you give a editor or help you find the correct
> file.

No, but as I already wrote, the user will be using their own familiar
host system tools for navigation and editing.
And the user host system is likely to be GUI-based, whereas I imagine
the VM will be command-line access only (at least for the guests).

> if the committers work on the vm, they will normally use svn, so no
> difference to working on a foreign system. As long as the page ends in svn
> so it can be picked up for the URL I dont really care what they use.

See above; SVN is not the main issue here.

>> But I agree it would be more automatic to pick up the changes from SVN (we
>> use cms today, that could do the job). If we require a naming standard,
>> such a script would be easy.
>>
>>
>>
>>> > 2) change timeline on front page to include number of project that
>>> > committed in the period.
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>>
>>> > 3) Add a whiteboard page, where ASF committer can offer their help
>>> > (especially knowledge) and labs projects can ask for specialists. The
>>> > whiteboard page might be of interest for incubator, that has the same
>>> > problem (and no solution).
>>>
>>> The page would have to be protected against spam, so editors would
>>> need to be allowed to post (or authorised in some way).
>>> Would it be sufficient to use a Labs Wiki for this?
>>>
>>
>> A labs wiki would actually be a better idea. I was simply not sure if it
> is
>> overkill.
>
> Well maybe, but why reinvent the wheel?
>> I suspect it's not trivial setting up and maintaining a secure whiteboard.
>>
> No but it might be easier to use than confluence wiki. My only real concern
> with wiki is the ease of use.

I assumed we would use the MoinMoin Wiki, which is fairly easy, and
already used extensively in the ASF.

Confluence is not as well known (and seems to be a lot harder to use).

> rgds
> jan I
>
>>
>> > A labs wiki would also give the labs a place to easy exchange ideas.
>>
>> As does the mailing list.
>>
>> But for some discussions and collaboration, a Wiki is better.
>>
>> > rgds
>> > jan I.
>> >
>> >
>> >> This would have the advantage that changes are notified to a mailing
>> list.
>> >> [The whiteboard ought to do the same]
>> >>
>> >> > At this point in time we cannot change the bylaws text, that will come
>> >> in a
>> >> > second pass.
>> >> >
>> >> > I volunteer to make the changes.
>> >> >
>> >> > rgds
>> >> > jan I.
>> >>
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