On Jun 4, 2005, at 13:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The one that has particular resonance is:

"NO" is only an interim response.

France and Holland have each had a referendum on the new European
constitution, with a 'no' response in each country. After the French one, which was held first, someone, a French poltitcian, I think, said it didn't matter as the referndum could be repeated until a 'yes' response was produced. Apart from hearing the result I didn't listen properly to the rest of the news item until
that was reported when its blatant cynicism penetrated my absent brain.

Battering people ad nauseam is one way to get a response that's *both* - preferred and democratic; 10th time around, who knows... France may agree that one, European, constitution is "a good thing"... just to get rid of the pesky question :)

But, sitting on the other side of the ramparts, and with a part of one leg on the other side of the fence (current Poland is *both*: a puppet of Bush's administration, via the long-standing awe of "all things American", and a new zealot of "all things European" Talk about having a fence-stake up your uhm... <g>), I can't help but wonder just how important the ratification of this constitution is. Or how valid...

Because, in some countries, it was ratfiied by the parliament of the country, and we all know that what's voted in, in the parliament, is not necessarily reflecting the will of the people; it's reflecting the will of the elected to remain that way :)

In some countries (like France), the ratification of the European constitution would have been a "shoo-in", had the decision been left in the hands of the elected representatives. When it went to the the popular referendum for the final decision, it collapsed. That might suggest that the elected representatives aren't, *really*, as representative of the majority (democratic) as we'd like to think.

But... How much of the population voted for the representatives? How much of the population participated in the referendum? As the numbers multiply, so does the grey area composed of people who're sick and tired of trying to figure out what the heck "it's all about", and then seeing their - wobbly - choices go down the drain.

In the case of the European Constitution in particular, the populace seems to be totally disoriented as to "what the heck is it supposed to mean?". Can't say I understand the flap either <g>

*All* member countries would have had to ratify it, before it could be valid (and, then, how much would it *change* things? Nobody knows, since the document is longer than the Bible, and few have read it). If any country objects, it's not ratified. But, no bolt from the sky descends, and the EU doesn't disintegrate; the show goes on, sans the constitution...

So, from where *I* am at, France and Holland took a chance to "vent" (and more power to them <g>) but the *reality* wasn't altered a whit because of their objections; all that's improved is their self-image :)...

Me, I think the most important "rule of Washington DC" is not "NO is an interim response"; it's "truth is a variable"... I'll need to get ahold of Orwell's 1984 (83?) to beef myself up, but I *know* I'm right... :)

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Tamara P Duvall                            http://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA     (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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