On Apr 11, 2007, at 7:59, Joy Beeson wrote:

I wish!   There is many an occasion when &[EMAIL PROTECTED] would be the
best way to express my feelings -- but the only word with
any force left is "nigger", and "nigger" in no way substitutes for "damn".

I've reverted to innocuous phrases like "rats!". Just utter them "con brio" <g> My son, when he picked up the Big Eff Word at school, used it promptly and got suspended for foul language (at age 7, it scared the "um..." out of him <g>). Thereafter, he came up with something like "oompah". No relationship to any known cursewords at all, but, *the way* he said it made it clear what he meant. The fact that it drove his teachers wild -- nothing to hang a complaint on -- delighted him so much, that giving up really bad words was no hardship :)

Ah, well, there's no way the yahoos can take the force out
of "wooden swearing".

What's "wooden swearing"?

Susan Reishus,
I agree that parents who yell abuse at one another -- even without the dirty words -- are, likely, raising a confused and insecure child; I remember it from my own childhood. But I can't remember, ever, in my 33+yrs of marriage, a fight my husband and I had, within or without our son's hearing. Both of us are highly verbal and "disputatious" and we prefer to use logic, with each waiting one's turn to speak. I'm more contentious than he is and even I will leave the room, rather than fight, when I see I'm not making any headway with my *reasoned* arguments (so, OK; a log or a rock will get a good kick once I'm outside cooling off <g>). The reason I gave up "bad language" before our son was born was not to conform to other people's opinion about me, but because I was using foul language where other people take a breath to mark a comma and, in mid-twenties, recognised it was both childish and excessive.

Finally, Joy Beeson wrote:
(When I first heard of e-mail, I never thought of using it to communicate with someone who was sleeping in the next room!)

One of my all time favourite comic panels had a picture of two computers, back to back, with a woman (presumably wife) sitting in front of one and a man (presumably husband) sitting in front of the other. The (presumptive) husband is typing:
"what do you mean, we never talk anymore?"
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Tamara P Duvall                            http://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA     (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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