On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:54:25 -0700, Adele wrote:
>On Sunday, August 3, 2003  Bridget wrote:
>
>> However I must persevere, as I have booked for a Binche course in 
>> February, and everybody says you need to grasp Flanders first.
>
>Since "everybody" says this I guess I'm sticking my neck out here, but 
>here I go with my own personal opinion:
>
>I think knowing about Flanders helps you with Binche in only a couple 
>of ways: one is being familiar with the way the worker is dropped and 
>becomes a passive, while another pair picks up and starts working. The 
>other is the use of a ring pair.
<SNIP>

I learnt the traditional way, Flanders, Paris then Binche.  But I agree with
Adele, the ring pair and passive/worker swap are the things that Flanders
and Binche have in common.

However, I'd urge would be Binche learners to do a practice snippet of Paris
with some thread oddments - no need to do a whole piece.  Binche fills up
some of its background areas with Paris ground, worked in all sorts of odd
combinations of part rows.  Familiarity with Paris ground is helpful (not
essential, but useful) when learning Binche.  The Paris ground areas are
then a welcome rest from the struggles with the remainder of the Binche, and
can be worked without tracing every stitch on the working diagram.  Although
Paris ground is 'only' Kat stitch from Bucks point, it does have its
difficulties and I kept losing a ground pair into the motifs until I'd
practised it for a while.

So Bridget, cut off the Flanders with a clear conscience and use the bobbins
for a bit of Paris instead.
--
The test of a vocation is the love of the drudgery it involves. 
Logan Pearsall Smith
Steph Peters, Manchester, England
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