I had a similar experience with a lady who moved to Sydney - she wanted to
learn Bucks, and asked if I'd teach her.  Of course, I agreed.  Then she told
me that her teacher in another part of Australia had told her that she wasn't
ready yet to learn Bucks.  She too had been "learning" Torchon for 8 years!

I must admit though, that when I'm teaching Torchon to a real beginner, I like
to just concentrate on the technical things for the first couple of months,
making sure the student really knows how to work a spider, a fan, a trail etc.,
in a sampler before moving onto simple pieces of lace.  I do it because I've
found that, for most people, this enables them to become independant, thinking
lacemakers very quickly.  Once they're secure in the basics, I do my best to
encourage them to develop as far and as quickly as they can.

I have no desire to spend the rest of my life "supervising" a student's work,
helping them start a piece etc.   I explain my system to any prospective
student and if they're not happy with that, I'll always do what I can to help
them find another way of learning lacemaking.

Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)   

 --- Elizabeth Ligeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree with you, Eva,
though there may be some times when a student needs
> to have done some techniques so that they can learn the new ones in class.
> 
> I remember, back in the earlier days of the Guild, that at a Lace Day a
> couple of ladies asked me how many years should they be making lace for,
> before they could move on to Beds lace.  "They had only been making lace for
> 4 years, and were still on narrow, simple torchon patterns, and their
> teacher would not let them try anything else yet!!!"
> I was appalled!!!  I would have given the whole thing away, if I had had to
> stay on tiny torchon edges for that length of time!  I think the teacher was
> just feathering her own nest - not trying to advance her students - and I
> told them so!!!
> 
> Once you can make the basic lace, then try other types - you may find them
> more satisfying!
> 
> from Liz in Melbourne, Oz,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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