You are right, Tamara, I don't think the name has a ring I would want to be
associated with.  Besides there can't be that many legal questions to lace.

Your reasoning is sound about the tax quagmire.  It is not worth it.  Unless
you can show a profit every five years it is considered a hobby anyway
(horse farms are 7 years).  I have been a member of the Tax Court bar for 26
years.

There are so few of you, compared to the population, that there is not ever
going to be much of a profit in publishing anything.  I don't even think
that hour for hour you could make minimum wage making lace.  It is a great
hobby, keeps DW out of the bars and off the street, and is far less
expensive than shopping.  My advice to you all, is to forget these
meaningless legalities, enjoy what you are doing, and spend more time lacing
and less time worried about the rules of the game.

Keep on Lacing,  Tom Andrews




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tamara P. Duvall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Arachne lace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:23 AM
Subject: [lace] Copyright -- again :)


> On Thursday, Aug 28, 2003, at 10:25 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Devon)wrote:
>
> > I had the interesting experience of writing an article for the IOL
> > Bulletin
> > and later receiving a request to translate it into German for
> > publication in a
> > German Lace Mag. I had no idea what the legal status of this request
> > was. I
> > had no objection to it being republished. In fact, I was flattered. I
> > asked the
> > IOL and they had no idea whether their permission was required, but
> > said they
> > had no objection.
>
> In general, for anything you publish in IOLI, you keep the copyright
> (probably because, while you get a "thank you" of some sort, you do not
> get *paid*. I wonder if I should be reporting my extra copies of the
> Bulletin and/or the thank-you bobbins to IRS, and pay taxes on
> them???), and their permision to republish (in English or any other
> language) is not needed, if someone else wants the article/pattern.
> Competition entries are a bit of a "gray area", because, when you
> enter, you sign the permission for "first dibs" to go to IOLI -- the
> pattern/etc is still yours, and you can publish it anywhere you want,
> but only if IOLI is not interested in publishing it *first*.
>
> I always assume that anything I send for a publication in a magazine,
> is "free for all", without any copyright issues involved; if Robin
> wants to copy a pattern for every member of her guild, I have no
> objection -- quite the opposite :)
>
> I used to get asked permission about reprints/copies, and responding
> was more trouble than it was worth, so then I tried putting in
> something like "feel free to make copies, but give credit to me for
> designing" with the patterns. I should have added: "and let me know
> you've done so, as my reward"; a pattern got reproduced, I only heard
> about it from third parties -- a lot of bad feelings all around :)
>
> I was also -- once -- asked to *sell* a pattern, and the woman had a
> hard time taking a "no" for the answer. It was the "Swan" (what else
> <g>). I told her it had been published in IOLI -- her customers don't
> subscribe to it (she was Swedish, I think)... I told her it was
> available to anyone who wanted it on a website -- her customers didn't
> know a URL from a U-Haul... I finally said that I wasn't ready to enter
> the tax quagmire for the "cut" I might be expected to get, and she gave
> up pestering me...
>
> For all I know, she'd found the website, printed it off, and is
> peddling the pattern to the un-clued. If she does, I think I'd be
> irritated a bit to learn about it, though it would be an irrational
> feeling -- I don't mind people copying for their (and/or ther friends')
> use; I don't mind people making up a pattern in a 100 copies to sell
> (either for personal profit or for the benefit of a charity), so why
> "stick" at someone copying a pattern to sell? All I can say is that, to
> me, it would not be "honourable"...
>
> To change the subject *slightly*...
>
> In many-messages-ago, Clay asked how one could possibly measure the
> 15-20% of "skew", when it came to an original (artistic) design...
> Well, I know at least one person who'd done it *mathematically* :)
> Bought a cross-stitch kit, which depicted a sail-boat on a calm sea.
> Changed the *direction* in which the pennant was flying (so, OK, it no
> longer made sense from the *physics* perspective; but there's such a
> thing as "artistic extension" <g>), and entered it as an original
> design in a county crafts fair. Won, too, I seem to remember. And very
> proud of herself, for being so clever -- between the boat and the sea,
> the area of the pennant was well above the 15%... Takes all kinds :)
>
> > Perhaps the IOL is missing a bet. It should have Tom write a regular
> > feature
> > called "Copyright Corner"
>
> Not a bad idea. Though "Uncle Tom's Corner" seems an inescapable title
> for the column and I doubt he'd like it :)
>
> -----
> Tamara P Duvall
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Lexington, Virginia,  USA
> Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
>
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