Have you ever heard of Gros Point in reference to needlepoint? I made a needlepoint wall hanging that was two feet high and six feet long. Had it forever and then gave it to my son for a Xmas present. I used a very large wool for my stitches and because of the size they called it Gros Point. That will show that many needlework patterns sometimes have the same name for two different techniques. Roslyn in Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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