On Mar 20, 2005, at 18:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Devon) wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I know  that we're the enlightened ones :o) but which
sounds the more interesting  out of "Beginners Bobbin Lace" and
"Contemporary Ceramics for  Beginners"?


But would you sign up for:
Modern open warp weaving. Using two simple weaving movements students will
experience the freedom to design complex woven structures without the
limitations imposed by a loom. Based on renaissance techniques, open warp weaving
allows the student to weave in any shape, in any direction, even three
dimensionally with an almost unlimited range of textural and patterning techniques.
Students may choose to work this exciting fiber art in color or to explore the
full range of contrasting patterns of positive and negative space which find
their best expression in monochrome.

Devon, I *love* your description, but it would have scared me rigid, when I was in my early twenties - too high-falluttin' by half :) If, that is I read it at all... Which, if it had been under "weaving", I probably wouldn't have; "weaving", for some reason just never "sang" to me, except as a buyer (you could buy *spectacular* weavings, inexpensively, when I was in my early 20ties in Poland). It might appeal to an already converted weaver, who knows what limitations a loom imposes, but not to me. And, I'd probably assume that I'd have to learn "plain weaving, with limitations" first, before I entered the higher plane...


Of Helen's two choices (Contemporary Ceramics or Bobbin Lace, both for beginners)... I probably would have gone for BL. Not because I knew anything about it but, anything with Lace in it would have drawn me, as surely as anything with "Contemporary" in it would have repulsed me. For me, "contemporary" equalled "all angles" (which, in the 60ties it did, or mostly). I caught the "Baroque, Rococco, Art Nouveau bug" ("all curves") somewhere around 5, and never recovered; Hogarth's "line of beauty" (discovered, accidentally, in late twenties) was only a confirmation of what I've felt, instinctively, most my life. And, to me, "lace" was closer to that ideal than "ceramics", even old-style ones (I had not seen Torchon then <g>)

I think it's not only the change in times that needs to be considered (and the "streamlining" that Heather noticed as a trend in Norht America), but also personality. Both Salsa and Tai-Chi are group activities; there's social interraction all the time, and progress depends on it. Lacemaking, OTOH, offers social interraction only part of the time (in large countries like US, it might be quite infrequently), and progress is achieved as much via direct contacts as via a solitary slog. Which might not suit a lot of people.

As I remember it from my own late teens/early twienties, the girls who crocheted, knitted, embroidered, etc, didn't show up as often at parties, dances, sports events etc as the girls who didn't know how to sew a button on.

My two-bits on the subject :)

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Tamara P Duvall                            http://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA     (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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