Do these joins work well on heavy (thick thread) 
laces?.......................As I want it to look good (it's a special present 
for friends), and wasn't 
happy with the way the first repeat or two turned out, making extra and 
overlapping sounds like a good idea,

No, not really.  It is traditionally used to do joins across the grounds such 
as Flanders where 4 pairs are used at a pin hole so the "stitch" at each pin 
has a lot of *body* to it and several sewing stiches work around the perimeter 
of the hole.  It probably wouldn't be strong enough, for example, on a 
point-ground ground as there is only the one cross movement and an uncovered 
pin.  
It would just pull apart.  

Problems with overlapping leaves and sewing round, apart from the bulk, will 
be is that they will both need to be identical in shape to be inconspicuous, 
and making sure the weaver is secure so the whole leaf doesn't unravel.   With 
plaits, it will probably be hard to keep them on-top-of each other rather than 
next-to (which would obviously show as it would then be twice as wide) and 
also anchoring all 8 ends so the plaits don't fray and fluff.

For your plaits and leaves type lace, take a look at Ulrike Lohr (+?)'s "The 
beginning of the end" where she shows how to finish leaves and plaits into the 
back of themself with a magic thread and then a hitched bundle.

Depending on how awful you think the start is, (and how many pairs and how 
much patience you have) it should be possible to cut the starting loops and 
un-lace to where you are happy with it, work the end of the lace until it 
matches 
and knot the matching ends together, *then* lose the ends into the back of the 
leaves and plaits (but in now in both directions as you have two sets of 
ends) as above <VBG>

Jacquie

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