In a message dated 4/11/2009 12:20:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

A couple  of musings - was Yellow Starch simply the name of the stiffening 
agent; the  agent itself was the issue, rather than the yellow colour - 
given that other  *vegetal* products could dye textiles yellow. Did it in fact 
turn the textile  really yellow, or was it a mere tinge of yellow - enough to 
associate the  colour with the product, or was it white anyway, given that 
'white' can be  many shades (for example, compare the different brands of 
white threads, some  whites aren't as white....etc.)  yet beside another 
'white' the one would  look yellow compared to the other...
I was thinking, during the previous discussion of yellow starch that it was 
 probably a very pale pastel yellow, but the portraits reproduced in the 
Ribiero  book show a deep saffron color, like curry. I have seen lace for sale 
that has  this deep saffron color and vaguely heard an explanation that 
"you see that from  time to time", but never thought it might be lace that was 
turned saffron as  early as the 17th century, although the saffron colored 
lace I have seen for  sale on people's stalls at the lace convention is of 
that  era's style, ie scallops. It would appear from the texts that the 
saffron was in  the starch. But why they didn't simply dye the lace saffron, 
rather than it  being part of the starch, I don't know. Also, why do you never 
see lace of that  era in the other interesting colors supposedly infused into 
the starch? Of  course one of the pieces I was examining on Monday at the 
museum, was a strange  brownish color, which could have been oxidized from 
some other more interesting  color.



Potatoes spoil under frosty conditions, don't they? Did the  
recipe-*writer* of Yellow Starch ever make the starch, or was just the hired  
scribe...did 
the recipe-*maker* have a different root veg. in mind, yet called  it a 
potato? Were they using a yellow turnip? a parsnip? a dandelion root? -  the 
latter gives yellow, red or blue dye depending on the mordant, the  dye-set, 
used.
I believe there is some reference to using urine as a mordant for a really  
nice yellow, in the Materials of Memory book.

Speaking  of the mordant, maybe whatever else was in the Yellow Starch had 
a poisoning  effect (just maundering here).
Whether Mrs. Turner (who was hanged in 1616, I believe)  was the  
originator of yellow starch is unknown, but she did seem to have an impressive  
pedigree in other things such as poisoning and witchcraft. They found her with  
several wax figures, although, in her defense, people said they were fashion  
dolls. Also, Frances Howard, the person who was in the conspiracy to murder 
 Thomas Overbury with Mrs. Turner, seemed to have quite a background in 
trying to  arrange murders and poisonings. A book I am reading now, Anne 
Somerset,  Unnatural Murder, which is about Frances Howard, (she married more 
than 
once and  used different names) and the murder of Overbury presents the 
interesting  information that at the time there were as many "Conjuring men" as 
there were  Parish priests in England, and consulting them for purposes of 
enhancing  fertility, finding lost objects, making people love you, and 
making annoying  people die suddenly seemed to be common practice. 
Unfortunately, there is not as  much about yellow starch in this book as I had 
hoped.
 
Sue in EY provided the recipes, but I don't know where she got them from.  
They were for starch, not specifically yellow starch, although as she points 
 out, they could have turned lace a beigy, browny, yellow color over time. 

<<We have used laundry/textile finishing starch since the  16th century, 
still do, though less so precisely now, than for instance when I  remember my 
mother doing laundry, and melting blue waxy squares of probably  wheat 
starch (or corn) in a tub of hot water. Some who wear white shirts still  like 
to 
have the collars starched for appearance; some who enjoy ironing like  the 
effect of starch on the fabrics, how it makes ironing easier. We aren't  
advised to use starch for our laces where we want them stiffened (such as for  
ornaments), because the starch attracts critturs in storage  :)>>
 
Personally, I have never excelled in laundry and I make my husband get  
polyester blend shirts. When I used the spray starch, it formed a gunk on my  
iron, so I stopped doing it. I have to wonder if I were to use wheat, corn or 
 potato starch whether it wouldn't turn brown when I ironed it, or once 
again,  form a residue on the iron. I do understand that they had all sorts of 
poking  sticks and goffering irons at the time. But, the kind of starching 
they were  doing seems very extreme, if the portraits are to be believed. My 
own experience  with the spray starch yielded stiffness for about 20 
minutes, as I recall.
 
Devon
 
 
 
 



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