Nancy and all
These definitions are always a problem.  I have trouble understanding why
someone using a knitting machine would join a contest for hand knitting.  The
only reason that makes sense is when the machines first came out and were
still very rare.  A woman has one, uses it, and wants to show off what she can
do.  But the skill set for operating a knitting machine is quite different, I
think, from the skills a hand knitter needs.  Once the machines become common,
comparing yourself to others who use the same machine makes more sense.

As for lace definitions, myself, I have no problem with a very broad
definition: any textile with holes is lace.  ( I especially like the
definition of "holes surrounded by thread") .  It doesn't matter to me if it
incorporates some machine made elements, such as Battenberg or Carrickmacross
(both of which are lace, I think).  Embroidery on net is lace.  Embroidery
which makes holes in fabric is lace -- Hardanger, pulled thread, reticella,
cutwork, drawnwork.  A large part of the reason is that all these forms
present similar problems for designing them.  Lace is about juxtaposing dense
areas and open transparent areas.  It is about presenting a variety of weaves
and textures in a way that keeps the eye moving and roaming all over it.  It
is about textures added to the density variations.  Even though a lot of
modern lace, of any description, uses color, the essential thing about lace is
this variety of textures and densities.

But I still would not put bobbin tape lace and Battenberg in the same
competition, nor Carrickmacross and Limerick.  Although it might be
interesting to set up a competition for, say, collars.  Specify a peter pan
shaped collar, must be white or cream, must be 4 inches deep, use any lace
technique whatsoever, including Hardanger and Battenberg, embroidered net,
bobbin lace, needle lace.  And judge on the basis of good lace design, good
juxtaposition of dense and open.  And specifiy that all the collars will be
judged from a distance of 15 feet, the judges will not be allowed to get
closer.  (You would have to announce it far in advance, because the
needlelacers need much more time to finish a piece than the others do.)

Lorelei

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