Alice I think the first photo you showed us is a revival era Milanese. The detail shots are really quite good. The shapes of the individual motifs is what makes me question the age. Also the way the tapes are divided by rows of twists and each segment has a little hole in it--that would have been done differently in really old Milanese. I'm not sure about the age of the figural piece. It may be old. Lorelei H
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