Hi Karen

I haven’t seen any Gütermann R402
https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/guet_productDetail?currentPro
duct=R_402_E_ind&showprices=true&node=Industry-Products-Fine-Threads&type=
<https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/guet_productDetail?currentPr
oduct=R_402_E_ind&showprices=true&node=Industry-Products-Fine-Threads&type=>

The R in the code R402 indicates that it’s reeled silk (filament silk) so
shinier and more slippery than the S303 which is spun silk.
The 402 indicates that it’s tex 40 and 2 ply.
S303 is spun silk, tex 30 and 3 ply.
Thus the 402 is 1.33 times  the thickness of 303.

303 is generally considered to be average sewing machine thickness, the 402 is
described as a top stitching thread, though being packaged as a small hank
indicates hand top stitching, as in high end tailoring.

If you can work with a very slippery thread, that’s probably in the region
of 18-22 w/cm then it’s very likely to be good for BL, but it doesn’t
appear to come in any other size packaging.
The full range of Gütermann silk is
https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/Industry-Product-Silk-Threads
?node=Industry-Products-Fine-Threads
<https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/Industry-Product-Silk-Thread
s?node=Industry-Products-Fine-Threads>

Have you considered the silks from Piper Silks
http://www.pipers-silks.com/ <http://www.pipers-silks.com/>
or Bart & Francis
http://www.bart-francis.be/index.php?action=home&lang=EN
<http://www.bart-francis.be/index.php?action=home&lang=EN>

Brenda

> On 12 Jan 2016, at 11:26, Karen ZM <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Does anybody know anything about Gutermann R402 silk please, and whether it
> would be suitable for bobbin lace? I have never yet come across this and am
> (still) searching for some silk to use to make a wedding veil. So far, the
> best contender seems to be the reeled S303 100/3, but seems to be only
> available on 100m reels. I have calculated that I would need around 8,000
> metres for the project.
> One UK supplier, who I wrote to requesting whether the S303 is available on
> larger reels, wrote back saying the R402 is available in 750m hanks. This
> is not listed in Brenda Paternoster's Threads for Lace 5, nor on the
> appendix.
> Any advice will be most welcome. Many thanks, Karen in Malta
>
> The specifications given in the Gutermann website are as follows:
> R 402 E100% pure silk specially finished for edge stitching machine
>
> Product Advantages R+S
>
>   - Good sewability
>   - High brilliance due to pure silk and special finishing
>
> ArticleMake-upArticle-No.
>
>   -
>   -
>   -
>
> R 402 E
>
>   - No./Tkt.75
>   - tex40
>   - dtex400(2)
>
> 750 m702951
>
>   - Product Data
>
<https://www.guetermann.com/shop/en/view/content/guet_productDetail?currentPr
oduct=R_402_E_ind&showprices=true&node=Industry-Products-Garment-Dyeing-Silk-
Threads&type=#tabs-articledata>
>
> Raw materialSilkCountNo./Tkt. 75 - tex 40 - dtex 400(2)PackingMake-up750 m
> CarrierHank
>
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