Dear Robin,

I think you missed the difference between a method of bobbin lacemaking and
the various techniques.
Every lace teacher should know about the closed and the open method in bobbin
lace and explain the difference between the two to their students.
When you are making Skans lace on a cooky pillow it does make any difference
in using the open or the closed method. However when you making it on a roller
pillow it is make sense to use the open method because of the bobbin hanging
down.
You can also make Skansk lace using the Torchon technique, but then you
don’t get Skansk lace, but Torchon with Skansk motives. The ground in whole
stitch is than made as a torch ground with pins on every crossing of the
pairs. When finished you can see the difference because in the Torchon way are
holes in the stitches and in the Skansk way there are not.
Making Point Ground pricking in the Torchon technique is some different. In
Torchon there are stitches above and beneath a pin, in Point Ground there is
mostly only a stitch above the pin.

However muscle memory can be very important. A friend of mine had a bleeding
in the brain and afterwards problems with her left hand. Starting making
bobbin lace again she managed to do that after a very short time and her left
hand ‘remembered’ what to do. So keep you muscle memory strong it can be
useful later.

Best regards,

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 26 nov. 2020, om 01:35 heeft Robin K Panza <[email protected]> het
volgende geschreven:
>
> You missed my point:  there are times when "muscle memory" gets in the way
when learning something new, and then the inexperienced person has the easier
time learning.  Yes, you can choose to ignore what the teacher is teaching at
any time.  That is not the same as learning the lesson.  You can use torchon
techniques on a Bucks point picking, but that doesn't mean you have made Bucks
point.
>
> Robin P
> Los Angeles, California, USA
>
>
>
> On November 25, 2020, at 2:19 AM, Gon Homburg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> There is a difference between techniques and methods. Mostly is used the
closed method in which the stitches except cloth stitch end with the
appropriate amount of twist. Skansk Knipling is made according the open method
in with every stitch ends with a cross. This method is common in laces which
are originally made on a roller pillow. There is no need to switch method when
using a new technique. Skansk Knipling can also made in the closed method. The
result is the same.
>
> So switch from one technique to another without changing your method of
bobbin lace making.
>
> Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
>
>
>
>> Op 25 nov. 2020, om 05:56 heeft Robin K Panza <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Much of the time it is easy to switch to a different technique, but not
always.  Many of the European bobbin laces share the same basic techniques.
Half stitch is C, T; US whole stitch is C, T, C, T; and cloth stitch is C, T,
C.  But Skansk Knipling is different:  HS = T, C and USWS = T, C, T, C; the
hands fight to start those with crosses because of muscle memory.

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