I think it might be quite possible to relate historical facts about a saint's 
life without wandering too far into the praying bit - after all this is an 
international *lace* list; and there's no reason why we all shouldn't be able 
to read each interesting post on the topic regardless of our personal beliefs 
without suddenly feeling as if we've just been preached to.  Perhaps the 
prayers that were quoted were just a bit out of place in a group where all 
members don't embrace a particular belief.   If we show our usual everyday 
consideration and remember  we're not all Christian, there need not be need for 
even a barely noticeable whiff of defensiveness  wafting through the air.   We 
all speak Lace here, so shall we be content to let that be the thread that 
binds us, and remember St. Catherine's was celebrated by needleworkers of 
various faiths... 

Best wishes and all I have to say,
renee in Tucson 

>> Dear Lacemakers,
>>
>> There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably  some have
>> few (or no) Patron Saints.
>>
>> Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly  defined Patron
>> Saints!
>>
>> We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and  you
>> can research on Google and other search sites.
>>
>> The following is for our Newbies:
>>
>> My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is "Cattern Cakes and
>> Lace - A Calendar of Feasts" by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987,  ISBN
>> 0-86318-252-6.  It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace  
>> tools,
>> flowers, old pictures.  Love book so much, I have two copies -  one in the
>> kitchen
>> (where it can be quickly found) and one on the library  shelves.
>>
>> November 15th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book  starts
>> then, and ends November 24th.  The first recipe is Cattern Cakes  (named 
>> after
>> St. Catherine),  On the cover of every issue of "Lace"  published by The Lace
>> Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to  be a Catherine
>> Wheel
>> (a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was  tortured to death
>> during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D.
>>
>> (This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a patron
>> of local lacemakers in England.)
>>
>> Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons -  in
>> English language?  I mean books that have an emphasis on a  historical lace
>> connection, not religious books.
>>
>> Jeri  Ames
>> Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> Andrew  is a patron of lacemaking, too.
>>
>> The thing about patron saints is that  it is not doctrine and anyone can make
>> any saint patron of  anything.
>>
>> I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because  we have a
>> couple of things in common besides lacemaking.
>>
>> sr.  Claire
>>
>>   
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sue  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31  AM
>>> To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e'
>>> Cc: 'Janis Savage';  'arachne.com'
>>> Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking  saint?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have always thought that St Catherine was the  patron saint of
>>>     
>> lacemakers?
>>   
>>> Sue M Harvey
>>> Norfolk  UK
>>>

>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:56:23 +0200
>From: "Sister Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [lace] Lace for its own sake
>
>And your point would be?
>Sr Claire

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