Thank you for this, Steven, and thanks for all the great work you have done for us so far. I agree that this is a sensible change – we should be ashamed that it has taken us this long to get moving on these languages, and we need to do better.
One thing that I believe we have been reluctant to in the past is accepting experts referred by the communities themselves. However, I feel like that would be something that could be changed as long as we are able to independently verify such experts' credentials. Don't know how/if that could be worked into the LPP somehow? tir. 20. aug. 2019 kl. 19:31 skrev Steven White <[email protected]>: > Gerard wrote: > > <start> > Hoi, > Define unreasonable. Amir gave an estimation when it is reasonable to > expect a result. > Thanks, > GerardM > <end> > > For the current instance, based on where we are now, Amir's estimation is > fine. As long as someone is actually trying to follow up on these projects, > and gives a reasonable estimate as to how long it will take, I'm fine. > > James's question, and mine, is more around the big picture. Please > remember that three of the four projects we are talking about here (Guiane > Creole WP, Saraiki WP, Tacawit Wiktionary) were identified in an email I > wrote on 17 December 2018 (about eight months ago) as already being > provisionally approved and awaiting language verification. The fourth (Mon > WP) is perhaps a month newer. But 7-8 months and longer—Saraiki WP was > provisionally approved in October 2018—is absolutely not reasonable by any > standard. Quite frankly, I was desperate to do something to move these > along, because being nice and playing by the rules was doing absolutely > nothing. (Remember, too, that I wrote pleasant, polite reminders to the > committee about these four projects on March 14 and June 6.) I'm sorry, > Gerard, that you didn't like me doing what I did. But what I did is far > less objectionable than requiring communities to wait this long for us to > complete language verification. > > To that end, I am proposing the following amendment to the provision about > language verification. I am open to some adjustments, but allowing projects > to sit this long and wait *for us* is just not acceptable. Where this > amendment is to be added is in the Language Committee's Handbook, Final > Approval > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Handbook_(committee)#Final_approval>, > item #2. Subitem #3 is to be followed by new subitem #4: > > 4. The Language Committee has 30 days from the time a project is > provisionally approved—meaning: approved, except for language > verification—to identify and contact an expert for the language > verification. If no expert is contacted within 30 days, then on the > assumption of good faith, the project will be finally approved. If an > expert is contacted within 30 days, the Language Committee has an > additional 60 days to obtain the final language verification. If no > language verification (or failure of language verification) is received by > then, on the assumption of good faith, the project will be finally > approved. Overall, any project for which the Language Committee has failed > to get language verification (or failure of language verification) within > 90 days will be approved on the assumption of good faith. > > I think this gives us plenty of time to do what we need to do, without > requiring communities to wait on us for months without comment. This would > apply for all projects receiving provisional approval from this point on. > But in parallel, given that Amir started working on these four projects > around August 15, I would also propose that if we have not finalized > language verification by October 15, these four projects also be finally > approved. > > Steven > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > -- mvh Jon Harald Søby
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