If it turns out the pages in the Wikipedia are actually content in another language/language variation, then it seems like the proper action is to rename and redirect the wiki. But can this be achieved?
在 2020年10月8日週四 11:15，Amir Sarabadani <[email protected]> 寫道： > Two things: > * I have asked a friend who studies in Tehran university (top university > in humanitarian sciences like linguistics in Iran) to ask his friends to > ask their professors to take a look and give their opinion. I will tell > them to send their email here. I don't know what they are going to say, I > don't even know who that person would be. I hope that's impartial enough. > * Actually the attack post gave me a clue. It had a hashtag like > "#LakIsLur" or "LakiIsLuri". And this actually helps clear the smoke and > mirrors a bit. From the definition of Laki in Wikipedia > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laki_language>: > > Laki; (Kurdish: لەکی, لکي ,Lekî, Persian: لکی) is a vernacular that > constitutes of two dialects; Pish-e Kuh Laki and Posht-e Kuh Laki.[6] Laki > is considered a Kurdish dialect,[3][7][8][9][10][11][12] by most > linguists,[4] while others argue that Laki is closely related to Kurdish > but refrain from deciding its place among the Northwestern Iranian > languages.[6] Laki has also been classified as a Lur dialect, but speakers > of Luri claim that Laki is "difficult or impossible to understand".[7] > Linguist Shahsavari argues that Laki is sometimes seen as 'a transitional > dialect between Kurdish and Luri'.[13] > > I think that's why Kurdish people say they understand the wiki while Lur > people say they don't. There is a wiki of Laki in incubator actually: > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lki > > The Iranian government considers Laki a separate language and not a > dialect of Kurdish which Kurdish activists strongly criticized as a way to > oppress Kurdish people in Iran by splitting them to subgroups (one of the > reason for oppression of Kurdish people is that they are mostly Sunni but > Lur and Lak people are mostly Shiite similar to the government's official > religion which would explain why some Lak people are insistent to be > identified as Lur and not Kurd). I'm sorry this is getting so complicated > and convoluted to geopolitical issues and identity matters but that happens > with every language, especially in the Middle east (and I don't claim I > understand even half of it). At the end, this doesn't matter and I need to > wait for the professor to take a look and shed some light on it. > > Thanks > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:11 PM Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So sorry you're getting abuse over this Amir, that is really undeserved. >> Looking through my archives, there was much more discussion than usual >> about the (Northern) Luri Wikipedia when it was proposed for approval. I >> think it would be worthwhile for us to try to find independent linguists to >> confirm that the language is indeed not the one it is purported to be, and >> add that to the proposal for closure. >> >> tir. 6. okt. 2020 kl. 00:15 skrev Amir Sarabadani <[email protected]>: >> >>> I don't know where to say this but it seems people are creating attack >>> posts in instagram against me, calling me Pan-Persian and "faggot" and etc. >>> Calling for people to go and write on the page or respond to my tweets >>> saying they understand the wiki. >>> >>> Here's an example: https://www.instagram.com/p/CF15M5insF_/ >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 6:52 PM Amir Sarabadani <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, >>>> This is a notification that I started the discussion of closing >>>> Northern Luri Wikipedia: >>>> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Northern_Luri_Wikipedia >>>> >>>> I have asked again from different people, and again I got "we don't >>>> understand this and we can't read it". Mardetanha independently asked too >>>> and he also got the same thing. Funnily enough, some people told me that >>>> they don't speak Luri (they are Kuridish or Lak) and they actually can >>>> understand the wiki which puts us in the similar situation of scowiki but >>>> with no hope that we can fix the wiki. >>>> >>>> Now some new users are being created to oppose the closure discussion, >>>> it seems they are at least meatpuppet: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Requests_for_CheckUser_information&oldid=20486626#Mogoeilor >>>> >>>> I also got some private messages that I can share with the committee if >>>> needed. >>>> >>>> Also I ask the committee to reconsider eligibility of Northern Luri >>>> Wiknews: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Northern_Lurish >>>> >>>> Best >>>> -- >>>> Amir (he/him) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Amir (he/him) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >> >> >> -- >> mvh >> Jon Harald Søby >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> > > > -- > Amir (he/him) > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >
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