Thanks, Amir E. Aharoni. If the language is sufficiently distinct, at this point there is no need to consult a linguist. I was wondering if the proposal was eligible or rejected under the LPP, and if this is distinct, I don't think there is any further discussion point. As already described, incubator only has 5 (main) pages, and it uses 2 different notations. (Of course, I don't know if this language actually has 2 notations.) In any case, there are currently no other ratings points for this project as there is no community formed and there is not enough content.
In my opinion, whether the language is mature enough will likely have to be considered based on the content being contributed in the future. As your intuition says, if there was a translation of The Little Prince, it wouldn't be a language without possibilities for creating an encyclopedia. But there is too little content contributed at this time. If there is no problem with the language being distinct enough, I will mark it as eligible according to the discussion here. Sotiale 2021년 8월 2일 (월) 오전 12:27, Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected]>님이 작성: > It is sufficiently distinct, there's no doubt about that. > > A bigger question is whether its written form is mature enough for an > encyclopedia. My intuition tells me that if it's mature enough for The > Little Prince, then it's mature enough for an encyclopedia, but please > don't take my word for it. In any case, it's probably better to ask an > expert after some articles are written. > > בתאריך יום א׳, 1 באוג׳ 2021, 17:17, מאת Sotiale Wiki < > [email protected]>: > >> I agree with you that this proposal should not be rejected until expert >> opinion is sought. This is in line with my argument that this language >> needs to be justified as not at the level of a common dialect. LPP states >> that the language must be unique: "The language must be sufficiently unique >> that it could not coexist on a more general wiki." >> >> I'd like to get some expert advice from linguists, can someone recommend >> a linguist who can answer this case? >> >> Sotiale >> >> 2021년 8월 1일 (일) 오후 11:02, Amir E. Aharoni <[email protected]>님이 >> 작성: >> >>> It should not be rejected outright without at least consulting with >>> actual experts. I know a tiny bit of Standard and Levantine Arabic, but I'm >>> definitely not an expert. >>> >>> As far as I can tell, it's as eligible as Moroccan and Egyptian Arabic, >>> which we've already approved. And this is true even though Levantive is >>> often mentioned as one of the closest variants to standard Arabic. >>> >>> There isn't a lot of published written content published in any of the >>> Arabic variants other than Modern Standard Arabic, including Levantine. For >>> the particular case of Levantine, I am aware of a complete translation of >>> The Little Prince. There was a recent political campaign in Israel, with >>> some written material in the local dialect, which is one variety of >>> Levantine. There were also attempts to publish newspapers and books in it >>> in Lebanon, but I know less about that. >>> >>> It's also widely used in writing on social media. It's informal, but it >>> is a thing nevertheless; if a language is popular on the web in general, it >>> can contribute to its success in a Wikipedia. >>> >>> So no, it probably shouldn't be rejected outright. >>> >>> -- >>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >>> “We're living in pieces, >>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >>> >>> >>> בתאריך יום א׳, 1 באוג׳ 2021 ב-15:39 מאת Sotiale Wiki < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> * related: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Levantine_Arabic >>>> >>>> It was proposed in 2015 and has been abandoned for about 2 years, but >>>> has received intermittent attention over the past few years. ISO 639-3 code >>>> is assigned to this language, and there is a test project in Wikimedia >>>> incubator, but there are 5 pages except templates, categories, talkpages, >>>> and modules. >>>> >>>> Looking at the discussion, it seems that speakers of this language can >>>> speak Arabic for granted. Arabic speakers seem to perceive this as a >>>> dialect of some sort. >>>> >>>> I wonder what you think of this proposal. I think it is appropriate to >>>> be rejected unless evidence is presented that this is not at the level of a >>>> dialect that does not differ to an incomprehensible degree from Arabic. >>>> >>>> Sotiale >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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