Splitting it to a separate thread, because I find it all horribly confusing.
People who understand Germanic languages—what do you think about this one? I don't have a strong opinion myself. Formally, it's probably eligible. The incubator activity is OK, and Ethnologue says that it's not identical to stq or nds. More precisely, here's the copy from Ethnologue for people who don't have access to the fuller version: "Not intelligible of Frisian [fry] of the Netherlands or Northern Frisian [frr] (1978 E. Matteson) or Saterfriesisch [stq] (2001 W. Smidt). Lexical similarity: 70% with Low Saxon [nds], 60%–70% with Dutch [nld], 20%–30% with Standard German [deu] (2015 A. Remmers)." However, we have a lot of editions of Wikipedia in various minor Germanic varieties, some of which are active, and some aren't, so I am reluctant about marking this as eligible without input from other people who are more familiar with the subject. In particular, does anyone else actually write it, or is the Incubator the only place where people seriously try it? There is a bit of info about this in the English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Frisian_Low_Saxon#Orthography . However, that section has only one direct external reference, and it has some self-references. The rest of the article has more references, which may shed more light on it, but they are in German, and my German reading skills are too weak to make a relevant decision. Luckily, we have a few people in the committee who know German well. Your help will be appreciated! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore בתאריך יום ב׳, 28 באוק׳ 2024 ב-8:34 מאת MF-Warburg < [email protected]>: > As a list admin, I am somehow unable to approve the following held > message, but copying it here: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Onno Feldmann <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:25:50 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Langcom] eligible / ineligible Wikipedia requests: E > Hello, > I don't know who made this confusing request, but the language is East > Frisian Low Saxon. Even if it is classified as Low German, the language > differs greatly from it due to the Frisian substrate and the Dutch > influence, which is also noticeable in grammar, pronunciation and > vocabulary. > > Am Mo., 21. Okt. 2024 um 00:56 Uhr schrieb Amir E. Aharoni < > [email protected]>: > >> Marked as eligible: >> Edo >> Ekpeye >> >> Deleted: >> Eastern Arrernte >> >> The other two deserve a separate discussion. >> >> -- >> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >> “We're living in pieces, >> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore >> >> >> בתאריך יום ד׳, 9 באוק׳ 2024 ב-9:12 מאת Amir E. Aharoni < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> Hallo! >>> >>> I am going through >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_requests_for_new_languages >>> , project by project, letter by letter, up to ten requests per email, one >>> email per day. >>> >>> I am now working on Wikipedia, and today I'm handling the letter E. >>> >>> Before I go into proper requests, I should mention that I took the >>> liberty to reject >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Eldeine >>> , which appeared to be a one-person constructed language without an ISO >>> code. >>> >>> == East Frisian == >>> Request: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_East_Frisian_3 >>> Code: frs >>> My take: I don't have one. The request page is quite confusing. The page >>> title says "East Frisian", but the listed code is "frs", which is listed >>> "East Frisian Low Saxon" in ISO 639 3 and Ethnologue sites, while the >>> English Wikipedia says that the closest thing to just "East Frisian" is >>> stq, in which there is a Wikipedia already. In addition, some people in the >>> discussion claim that this language is the same as nds, and others say that >>> it is distinct. So I cannot propose anything at the moment. >>> >>> == Eastern Arrernte == >>> Request: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Eastern_Arrernte >>> Code: aer >>> My take: Probably *Delete*. The language is probably eligible, but the >>> request was created by a blocked user without adding substantial details. I >>> would have already deleted the request page for that reason alone if there >>> wasn't some content in the Incubator: >>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/aer/ . That >>> content, however, is quite suspect, too: it consists of five pages, all of >>> which are very short, and they were mostly edited by an anonymous user. So >>> the deletion of the Incubator should be considered, too. >>> >>> == Eastern Balochi == >>> Request: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Eastern_Balochi >>> Code: bgp >>> My take: Nothing at the moment, but I am in contact with a promising >>> expert, and I hope to have a more substantial update some time this month. >>> See the email about the letter B. >>> >>> == Edo == >>> Request: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Edo >>> Code: bin >>> My take: Eligible. >>> >>> == Ekpeye == >>> Request: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ekpeye >>> Code: ekp >>> My take: Eligible. >>> >>> -- >>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי >>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com >>> “We're living in pieces, >>> I want to live in peace.” – T. 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