On 04/01/2015 10:15 AM, Jacob Torrey wrote: > I've had similar thoughts, and a rather hasty blog post I wrote a while > back may be of interest: > http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/towards-a-new-model-of-computational-expressiveness > > - Jacob >
Thanks for that link. I'm glad to see others thinking about this! Your blog post inspired me to try to define "isolation" using Turing machines as a model. If you can do it for a Turing machine, then that should apply to any more specific model by the Church-Turing thesis. I failed terribly. I was trying to say something along the lines of: If A and B are disjoint subsets of tape indices, then A is isolated from B iff you can freeze the machine at any time, wiggle the tape cells in A, and the cells in B won't be affected by your wiggling for the remainder of the computation (and vice-versa). That doesn't work because the sets A and B have to depend on the input length (I'll omit the proof; consider the language of strings containing a "1"). The whole notion doesn't make much sense for a Turing machine on a single input (we're just saying "these are cells the TM never meaningfully uses, even though it might read/write them"), but if you allow parts of the inputs to be chosen by different actors, the idea makes more sense. You can come up with a reasonable definition for a constant number of actors. If there are K actors, let A1, A2, ..., AK be disjoint sets and give the TM K read-only input tapes plus one work tape, where input tape i is contained in Ai, and so on... But that's not good enough. Real systems interact with an arbitrary number of actors, each wanting to be isolated from the others. So here's a question. Is it possible to give any TM-based definition of isolation that (1) doesn't depend on the number of actors or input length, and (2) is more insightful than On any K-tuple input (W1, W2, ..., WK) the machine outputs a K-tuple (R1, R2, ..., RK) and if Wi is fixed, Ri is fixed no matter how you change the other Wj's. That definition doesn't satisfy me because it has nothing to do with computation; it's just a property of a *function* that a TM might compute. It doesn't expose any Turing-machine internals to reason about. Is there a good definition that does? -Taylor _______________________________________________ langsec-discuss mailing list langsec-discuss@mail.langsec.org https://mail.langsec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/langsec-discuss