Thanks for the answers, I thought that most folks would be busy preparing for Christmas and the holidays.
>From my side the agenda would be: 1) Find out how many committers and contributors are interested in supporting the community effort. With Tucker, Sarah, Sebastian and me, we'd have 4 committers. Max and Henry might be available from time to time as well. 2) See if there is a possible future for OpenLaszlo independent of Laszlo. Like Norman, I'm not convinced that there will be a future for the project with the way Laszlo has (not been) handling things. Without a commitment by anyone from the management (written form, email or public announcement) I can only conclude that Laszlo has lost interest in the OpenLaszlo brand. I'm not saying that they are giving up on the technology, since they have to use it for Webtop. But I doubt that they have the expertise in-house to maintain the platform at the moment. Reaching out to Laszlo: Agree with Norman, if other people want to do that, please go ahead. I listed that since I believe that other community members would see some value in doing that. 3) Who is using OpenLaszlo in which way (runtime targets and versions, desktop or mobile) My preference is to strengthen the DHTML runtime. Flash functionality is there already, and it's relatively easy to extend existing components with AS3. And I don't think there's a future for Flash. 4) Documenting how to upgrade to newer Flex versions I'm currently working through upgrading the Flex compiler to the latest version, 4.6. Laszlo doesn't have any useful documentation on which files (Java, LZX apps, several Ant build scripts, shell scripts) need to be modified for that. I'd like to create a document with whoever is interested, so the community will be able to do Flex compiler upgrades without having to rely on Laszlo. 5) DHTML runtime and IE Since it's not sure if Laszlo will be capable of maintaining the DHTML runtime (no support for IE 9, or the upcoming IE 10 release), it would be good to discuss if there's enough drive behind the community to at least maintain the DHTML runtime for IE. 6) OpenLaszlo foundation Still the best option, in my eyes. Don't think that's going to happen quickly, though. Would not want to waste time talking to Laszlo to try to convince them. 7) Components How are we going to deal with the fact that the new components have not been released (no commercial and no free version)? Are we going to continue hacking our own components? Or is there enough code to build a community maintained OL component set? Using a combination of mixins, CSS, and the improved view system within Trunk. 8) Mobile How relevant is mobile deployment to the community? Is there interest in integrating mobile deployment features into the platform. That's all for now. - Raju On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Norman Klein <norman.kl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for setting this up and I'll be sure to participate. > > There is just one issue that I have some reservations about and that's > reaching out to Laszlo Systems. While that's a sincere gesture, I think the > goal of the meeting should be the "future of Laszlo without Laszlo Systems". > They are a dying company and they will be looking to squeeze value out of > anybody or anything, while hindering things as much as possible. > > Norman Klein > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Raju Bitter > <r.bitter.mailingli...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Before we hundreds of emails going back-and-forth to discuss the >> meeting time/date, let's instead use Doodle: >> http://www.doodle.com/rkvbqr7wxumurg66 >> >> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:07 PM, Raju Bitter >> <r.bitter.mailingli...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > I've set up a Spreed web meeting (up to 20 people for the 2nd week of >> > January 2012), to get a discussion start on how we can re-activate >> > OpenLaszlo. The suggested meeting time is (which of course can be >> > changed, depending on your availability): >> > 13. Jan 2012 16:00 CET (using Spreed) 13. Jan 2012 16:00 CET >> > Meeting link: https://eu42.spreed.com/checkin/jc/503164965 >> > >> > Anyone interested in discussing the future of OpenLaszlo, how the >> > community can contribute to the project to re-activate it, and all >> > other questions around the project is welcome to join. Technically the >> > number of participants is limited to 20 people, if there's more >> > interest, we'll have to use a different platform. >> > >> > The date/time is not fixed, if enough people with interest in the >> > project are willing to join the web conference, we can shift to >> > another date/time. One thing to consider: We need to fix a time which >> > works for Japan, Europe and the U.S. (both East and West coast). 4pm >> > in Berlin would be midnight in Japan, and 7 a.m. in San Francisco. If >> > we can't fix a time which works for all time zone, the other option >> > would be to have to separate web conferences for Asia + U.S., and for >> > Europe and U.S. >> > >> > Before we go into the meeting, we should >> > 1) create an agenda of items we want to discuss >> > 2) discuss what kind of structure (people managing the project) would >> > be needed to move forward >> > 3) define goals for the project >> > 4) reach out to Laszlo, to get a better understanding of the status of >> > the company >> > >> > The discussion should be done in the mailing lists, but I'd be >> > interested in summing up the discussion every few days somewhere.I >> > suggest to use Google Docs, but I'm not sure if people from China >> > would have a problem accessing Google Docs at the moment. We could use >> > the OpenLaszlo wiki instead. >> > >> > Wish you all a good holiday season, and all the best for the new year of >> > 2012! >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Raju >> >
