[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes:
Hi Jackie,
Oh, I'm so relieved to hear that you were not emotionally damaged by that
nasty person questioning your faith. LMAO....some people certainly have
a high and delerious opinion of themselves, don't they? It takes all
kinds I guess.
Bill
On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:23:35 -0500 Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
>Jeez, Bill
>
>You will turn my head!! I just was so excited about all the stuff I
>got in
>the mail yesterday I wanted to share it with you all. Even though my
>week
>started out pretty awful, the last two days have made up for it. Good
>stuff
>in the mail yesterday and our trip to watch the state supreme court
>hearing
>oral arguments today. Made up for Monday's Psychology test nightmare.
>
>jackief
>
>William J. Foristal wrote:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes:
>>
>> HI Jackie,
>>
>> Wow, what a wealth of information you've included in this post.
>Thanks
>> for posting it! I wonder if the Supreme Court had any of that
>> information when they refused to prohibit the banning of lie
>detector
>> results in court. This is a classic example of needing to get ALL
>the
>> information available before coming to a knee jerk opinion of the
>overall
>> validity of lie detector tests with respect to determining whether a
>> subject is telling the truth.
>>
>> My only comment about your numbers concerning those on death row is
>that
>> it seems to prove the DP is not a deterrent to others. If it were,
>then
>> the numbers of people on death row should decrease instead of
>increase.
>>
>> Once again, you've become the star of the day on the law list. :)
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:50:29 -0500 Jackie Fellows
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> writes:
>> >Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Bill
>> >
>> >Just received the journal article written by Iacono and Lykken from
>> >the APA.
>> >Pretty interesting stuff for those interested in the polygraph
>> >controversy
>> >and interested in whether the methodology was flawed. One
>interesting
>> >thing
>> >I found is that they had put their survey together based on the
>> >recommendations of Dillman and his colleagues. Dillman is "the
>> >expert" in
>> >survey construction, especially main surveys. I spent many
>agonizing
>> >hours
>> >over his material--every research class I had included Dillman.
>> >Iacono and
>> >Lykken covered everything that could be covered, IMO--the
>respondents'
>> >appraisal of the validity of the CGT polygraph being administered
>> >under
>> >adversarial conditions by the police vrs being administered through
>a
>> >defense
>> >attorney, as an example.
>> >
>> >The other very interesting thing is the response rates of the
>Gallup
>> >Poll,
>> >The Amato survey, and this survey. The Gallup Organization did not
>> >provide
>> >information on the response rate to their survey and was conducted
>in
>> >1984;
>> >the Amato survey had a response rate of only 30% and Iacono &
>Lykken
>> >had a
>> >response rate of 91% of the 214 deliverable surveys to
>> >psychophysiologists
>> >and of the 226 deliverable surveys of APA Fellows there was a 74%
>> >retured
>> >usuable questionaires. The original number of surveys to SPR were
>> >216--2
>> >returned as nondeliverable. For APA Fellows, 249 were mailed--9
>were
>> >nondeliverable, and 14 were either now deceased or unable to
>respond
>> >for
>> >health reason. They violated radnomness to the extent of excluding
>> >from the
>> >SPR sample themselves, member of their department, and Raskin, et
>al.
>> >For
>> >APA, the only ones excluded were from their department. Nothing
>> >unethical
>> >in this exclusion that I can think of.
>> >
>> >Also received in the mail (guess it was my lucky day) the latest
>> >Bureau of
>> >Justice Bulleting on Capital Punishment in 1996. I was surprised
>to
>> >learn
>> >that at yearend, 1996, there were 3,219 prisoners under sentence of
>> >death--5%
>> >more than at yearend 1995. Yep, Sue, California had the largest
>> >number
>> >(454). There were 48 women under sentence of death in 1996. Among
>> >persons
>> >(data available), average age at time of arrest was 28 On Dec. 31,
>> >1996, 70%
>> >were age 25 to 44, the youngest was 17 (1); the oldest, 81. From
>1977
>> >to
>> >1996, there have been 5,154 persons entering prison under sentence
>of
>> >death.
>> >During these years, 358 have been executed, and 1,957 were removed
>> >from under
>> >a death sentence by appellate court decisions and reviews,
>> >commutations, or
>> >death. More than you ever wanted to know about capital punishment
>> >prisoners
>> >and hadn't asked. : )
>> >
>> >jackief
>> >
>> >.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >William J. Foristal wrote:
>> >
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:43:40 -0500 Jackie Fellows
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> writes:
>> >> >Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi Bill
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't think anyone was discounting the polygraph if used under
>> >> >strict
>> >> >procedures and with the knowledge that many other extraneous
>things
>> >> >can
>> >> >affect the readings. However, putting blind faith into these
>> >things
>> >> >is not
>> >> >"my cup of tea" simply because there is still too much
>controversy
>> >> >about
>> >> >them. Honts, even although implicitly, verified that in he
>> >realized
>> >> >as a lie
>> >> >detector he needed more education to really be able to use them
>> >> >properly.
>> >> >This was after he had had education in administering the
>polygraph
>> >> >after
>> >> >training in local law enforcement and with the FBI. And, most
>> >> >examiners do
>> >> >not have the FBI training, let alone the other more advanced
>> >training.
>> >> >
>> >> >I wonder if the experts would have enough time to get on the
>list
>> >for
>> >> >a
>> >> >period of time?? But, it is worth asking them if I get a chance
>to
>> >> >meet
>> >> >them. Mentioned I had wrote to Iacono to some of the other
>> >psychology
>> >> >teachers here and they said "Not the, Iacono!" I was happy that
>he
>> >> >took the
>> >> >time to answer our questions.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, better get off for a little bit--don't want the red glare
>to
>> >get
>> >> >too
>> >> >much for your eyes : )
>> >> >
>> >> >We have another minor "court problem" now in this area--whether
>the
>> >> >hearing
>> >> >impaired are receiving the assistance in court they need by
>having
>> >a
>> >> >skilled
>> >> >signer to interpret for them. Our poor court system is taking a
>> >> >beating--first the release of the preadjudication records, now
>> >this.
>> >> >
>> >> >jackief
>> >>
>> >> HI Jackie,
>> >>
>> >> I think you've put the lie detector discussion in it's complete
>and
>> >> correct context. I agree about the experts probably not having
>time
>> >to
>> >> spend on computer discussion groups. OTOH, if they have written
>> >books
>> >> they can use the opportunity to hype them. :)
>> >>
>> >> I think it's good that courts are constantly challenged to
>provide a
>> >fair
>> >> venue for everyone, no matter what their disability may be.
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >>
>>
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