Jackie Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hi Sue
Good question about the holes. I wonder if they were counting entry and exit
wounds?? Leave it to the prosecutor (he is the one that released the info on
Mitchell). The defense contends that some of the wounds were counted more
than once in the photos. The coroner said the wounds were so close they
couldn't get pictures only showing one wound. The one that had already pled
down for the crime said he blacked out from the time he got out of the truck
until he heard the first shot. It sounds like there had been a feud going on
between the victim and the defendant. The victim is suppose to have believed
the defendant had stolen a 1/4 oz. of pot and had ordered a hit on him. The
two defendants had stolen the guns from a locked cabinet in a locked room at
the house where the party was being held. Sounds like the guns were big time
guns--I think there was three of them mentioned. The defendant's girlfriend
(mother of two of his children) said he admitted the killings to her.
About the stats: I read something the other day that discussed the same
thing, but, for the life of me, can't remember exactly which book. I would
imagine little attention was paid to the majority of these individuals when
they were children--social class bias could be a factor. And, as you mention,
it doesn't seem as if exams of little ones are as thorough as they used to
be. But, in defense of doctors, I would imagine the number of patients has a
lot to do with this. And, we seem to take children to doctors more now as
healthy children, rather than waiting until they are sick. But, you would
think that the problems the people in this study found would be pretty
apparent--but then, and this is not nice to say, the kids may have been
considered part of the "throw away" population. Henslin (the author I am
writing the testbank for his book) mentions more than once how our prisons
merely reflect how we treat "certain" people in the larger society. If that
be the case, then this kids were merely shuffled through the medical and
educational system, with little attention paid to the difficulties they were
facing.
jackief
Sue Hartigan wrote:
> Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Hi Jackie:
>
> First off how in the world did the victim get 23 holes in him from 10
> shots? Just wondering.
>
> >From the stats you are quoting it sounds to me like there had better be
> some serious rethinking on the part of people when it comes to kids in
> general. There is something seriously wrong. IMO
>
> The low IQ's and physical/psychological problems should be something
> that is caught early on in childhood and treated. Of course the
> physical abuse should never be allowed to be covered up, either.
>
> I have noticed a lot of differences in the way that newborns are taken
> care of now. When I had my children the docs kept track of their
> development, and charted their progress. They were seen on a routine
> basis, and actually examined.
>
> Yoko has taken Steven in twice for routine checkups and the first time,
> very little if anything was even checked. The doc just left most of the
> check up to the nurse, and even that was superficial. The second time
> he was in at 2 mths, he was given his shots, and that was that. No
> check up, nothing.
>
> I have a feeling that a lot of this is due to the HMO system that we
> have now.
>
> I don't know what we can do about it, but I definitely can see where
> something should be done, before it really is too late. If it isn't
> already. :(
>
> Sue
> > Hi Sue
> >
> > It is the gist of what is going on with the murder trial here. The
> > events preceding the murder was a three-day drinking party, drug dealing
> > and rumors of an ordered hit on one of the alleged killers. Erickson is
> > one of the alleged killers and is presently on trial. the second
> > defendant already pled guilty to a lessser charge and was a witness
> > against him in trade for the lesser charge. Another witness was the 18
> > year old who hosted the party (wonder what she was offered?). She
> > maintained the night of the shooting the two left the party and then
> > came back in with different clothes on (all black). The two acted
> > differently--the defendant acted incoherently and the convicted one
> > acted very down and quiet. The prosecuting attorney said the victim had
> > 23 holes in his body caused by 10 shots. The fiancee testified that she
> > heard shots and that he wimpered and died. The defense says that there
> > is no physical evidence linking them to the crime and no witnesses.
> > That is it so far.
> >
> > This may be of interest to you: This is from one of the new books.
> > 1987 they studies 14 death-row inmates who had been convicted of crimes
> > committed when they were under the age of 18 and had been presented to
> > the Supremem Court.
> >
> > The inmates had been convicted of murders committed when they were
> > between the ages of nearly 16 to nearly 17. Mean was 16 1/2. In
> > addition to these 14, there were an additional 23 inmates under sentence
> > of death who had committed criman as juveniles
> >
> > Of the 14:
> > 1. 8 had suffered injuries to the CNS sever enought to result in
> > hospitalization and/or indentation of the cranium
> >
> > 2. 9 had major neurological impairment
> >
> > 3. 7 were psychotic or had been diagnosed as psychotic earlier in
> > childhood, 4 had histories indicating severe mood disorder and the other
> > 3 experienced occasional paranoid ideation
> >
> > 4. only 2 had IQs above 90 (which is below average); only 3 were
> > reading at grade level
> >
> > 5. 12 had been brutally, physically abused and 5 had been sodomized by
> > older male relatives.
> >
> > Most of the juveniles had tried to hide evidence of their problem and
> > concealed their parents' brutality. parents also hid the evidence and
> > sometimes pressured child's attorney to keep this info secret
> >
> > in only 5 of the 14 cases were pretrail evaluationsof any kind carried
> > out on the youths. Those evaluations done were usually perfunctory and
> > yielded inadequate data on the juveniles' neuropsychiatric and cognitive
> > functioning
> >
> > Just a little something to think about when people feel that they made
> > the choice to commit the crime so now should face the punishment.
> >
> > One reason the other 23 were not included in the study was that only 4
> > states would allow the research to be done--something else to ponder.
> >
> > jackief
>
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