Hello,
I'm taking the chance here to confirm that we can exactly agree on
Daithi Haxton's posting. We had gone a similar way (had the same
decision for a development language and tools) for our cross-platform
data recovery software (http://grauonline.de/slides/lazarus.html).
Before we made our decision for Lazarus, we developed cross-platform
software in Java as well (with similar issues as in the posting before).
Then we gave a good known wxWidgets-company the chance to develop a
prototype using wxWidgets/C++. They needed 4 months. Finally, we found
Lazarus and tried a prototype on our own. We needed 4 days and it worked
even better. Lazarus is in fact the ONLY set of tools where you can
develop native cross platform apps with the same RAD-IDE on all
platforms using a fast compile-cycle. Guys, you really made something
unique! Don't give it up. Sure, there are bugs - but the are the same
amount in other frameworks, development tools etc.
We already spend money on having FreePascal/Lazarus developers helping
us to fix bugs. And we are considering spending more money into Lazarus
in this way.
Best regards
Alexander Grau
Grau GbR
Hardware & Software Solutions
Huellhorst, Germany
Development company for LC Technology, Intl. (www.lc-tech.com)
Daithi Haxton schrieb:
Hi!
I've not posted here before, but I've been reading this list for about
six months, and I've gotta weigh in on this one.
By way of introduction, I'm the Sr. Software Engineer/Team Lead for a
major consumer electronics company in the US. We've been using C++
Builder for several years as our PC compiler of choice. It's allowed
us to develop robust applications in very short time spans with very
limited resources.
However, it is (of course) Windows only. Last June the word came down
that the market was changing, something we all knew, and that Mac's
were gaining a significant enough share of the consumer market to
warrant our support. I was charged with finding development tools that
would allow us to move our existing programs to the Mac in the
quickest and most reliable fashion.
My initial impulse was Java, but there were lots of issues, the
biggest one being a native look and feel on Windows. Most of our PC
products involve communication over USB, and that gets problematic
with Java as well - we really need native code compilation. Deployment
was also an issue. Ditto for Python, and the other platforms we looked
at. Then I stumbled across Lazarus/FPC.
Native compilation - check. Native look and feel - check. Similar
object structure to our existing code base - check. After about a
month of having the team play around with the tool, we decided to go
forward. Our entire PC software suite ( ~60 applications) is being
moved to Lazarus, with the first release scheduled for mid May, on a
new (for us) device category. The rest will be rolled out as updates
warrant - all new development is being done in Lazarus.
A colleague moved a rather complex software update tool from C++
Builder to Lazarus in 4 days - and we now have a Mac version as well.
That, my friends, is nothing short of incredible.
Following this "downward spiral" discussion has led me to believe that
perhaps the Lazarus community doesn't really understand what it's
managed to do here. AFAIK Lazarus is the ONLY tool in it's class that
allows this kind of development - one code base, multiple targets, all
native look and feel, all native code. That's just mind boggling.
My boss was initially very skeptical - "Pascal - that old fuddy-duddy
language from the 80's?" He's a believer now, and happily relearning
Pascal so he can throw in the odd module himself now and again. We're
even looking as Lazarus for some of our device code (as some of our
newer devices are Linux driven). There's a better than even chance
that we'll officially get in touch with the developers at some point
in the near future and offer resources to help move the project ahead.
We were especially intrigued by the discussion of a multi-platform
setup tool - right now we use Inno Setup on Windows and the awful
Package Manager thing on Macs...
In summary, Lazarus is a fantastic product. It's usable TODAY for
commercial development. We've found it (the IDE) more stable on
Windows than it's commercial counterparts. RAD Studio will generally
lock at least one of our development machines once a day - so far
we've had only one issue with Lazarus, and that was on a Mac (and I
reported the bug to Mantis, and it was fixed in three days - try that
with you-know-who ....). These discussions are great, but please don't
lose sight of what you've already got - a world class compiler and
development tool that's being used right now to solve serious real
world problems.
Thanks,
Dave Haxton
Sr. Software Engineer
Audiovox Electronics Corp.
Carmel,IN
USA
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