Hi,

Am Montag, den 02.01.2006, 13:31 -0700 schrieb L505:
> [...]
> I actually agree with fast prototyping, such as visual development sometimes 
> - but
> HTML isn't capable enough and not suited for the pixel based form style 
> development.

It is not suited for that by design, yes. It isn't capable for
pixel-based *. "enough" would imply that it was supposed to be. It
wasn't and won't. Times where I cared about skins and whatnot are over,
I want information. Information is text. 

> 
> If a future language is developed for the web to load up pixel based 
> documents, I'll

Like flash. That I hate :)

> change my thinking and will look into tools that do that (such as Delphi 
> clones like
> turbophp/intraweb). 


> I've written about something called a "component based web
> browser" in the future, where instead of loading a document a browser, will 
> load an
> application from a server. 

This is called "X11" and alive and kicking for uncountable years,
working on virtually every graphics capable operating system. 

Sun also made a more lightweight version that actually sent the window
layout and events over the network, I forgot what it was called... NeWS
or something... oh yeah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS

> The main problem with using things like javascript/java
> applets is that sometimes they don't work - some people have issues with them 
> on
> certain web browsers. So I always end up saying to myself "well, best I 
> design this
> using HTML and CGI, without javascript at all, because then I'm guaranteed 
> for it to
> work on my visitors computer".

It is true that current browsers are a mess. However, the browsers are
not frozen in time and day by day they get better. Just look how much
better they already are (think Netscape 4/IE3 then via Opera 8/Firefox 1
now)... so don't give up

> 
> I will use tools like turbophp/intraweb style in the future, if there was a 
> better
> pixel language under the hood (i.e. not html). But until then, HTML restricts 
> these

Note that "the trend"(i hate that word)...no..forget it
Note that I myself can't stand browsing the internet on a full blown
noisy computer at some desk when I could do it equally well on a PDA in
the green, under the sun (well, not in winter). So the pixel-based stuff
is a dead end. (or using text-to-speech when I'm too tired to look at
screens any longer, or having a search service index it so that I can
filter the information, or......)

> tools severely. The tools are good ideas, but it is HTML that ruins their 
> parade. I'm

Well, using HTML to do stuff it was explicitly designed to avoid isn't
really a good idea ;)

> not saying in the future there will be no HTML, 


> just that there should be some pixel
> based alternative in the future, in order for these tools to work with full 
> control.

Probably not. You cannot have "full control" and "pixel language" on all
devices capable of browsing the web. 

cheers,
  Danny


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