Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 09.04.2006, 14:17 -0600 schrieb L505:
> >
> > > "There is no excuse for Oil being a raw material needed to ship food"
> > >
> > > No, there isn't. Which is why those who can are switching to gas (which,
> > > lo and behold, farmers can produce that themselves) and hydrogen and
> > > trains anyways. The only "problem" is the lag of the infrastructure,
> > > that is, inertia. But that wasn't the point, I see.
> 
> 
> And as for hydrogen: how do you make hydrogen? By using energy to first get 
> the
> hydrogen?
> 
> I'm not familiar with the process. I know you can make hydrogen from water, by
> dissecting water into pieces through electrolysis. 

Yeah, that method sucks :)

I'd use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process since there it's a
"leftover" resulting H component anyways... I wonder what they are doing
with all the hydrogen resulting from that right now :)

> But this costs you energy -
> the electricity that it takes to make hydrogen may be more than what you are 
> in
> fact getting OUT of the hydrogen that you produce. I'm not sure though. Then
> again, it does cost us money to run oil rigs and etc. - and we do get more oil
> out of the ground than it costs us to retrieve the oil.

cheers,
   Danny


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