> Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote:
> >
> >
> > But you can reinvest the donations into Free Pascal.
> >
> > + You can buy hardware with donations. How can a port to some strange
> > hardware be made without that hardware?
> >
> Not required in most cases, there are already farms for OSS provided for
> free.

They are far from "free".

They are ad-infested ones which try to sell you other junk and push google ads 
on you (why
not just pay for software, if you are going to have to support them in some 
other clutsy
way like ads and a slow server?) where the SVN barely works and the site is 
down 20
percent of the time for upgrades. Sourceforge works for hobby projects but not 
serious
ones, as I've found out. The last few SVN commits I've done on sourceforge have 
given me
all sorts of timeouts and connection breaks. And when I visit sourceforge my 
browser
regulary crashes during important transmissions, such as importing an SVN gzip 
backup
file, and it probably crashes because of all the ads they have on the site in 
order to
support this so called "freedom". Sometimes the ads shoved in my face are so 
annoying that
I'd rather just fork over $20 per month and have quality service, or pay $10 
electricity a
month to run my own SVN server off my net connection (and maintain it, but if 
it breaks at
least I have shell access to SVN, unlike sourceforge which only offers shell 
access to the
file server, but not svn). (running a website is more intensive then SVN server 
for a 1-10
developer SVN project).

The only way a real "free" server could ever exist, is if we had free solar 
power/alcohol
power and free hardware foundations where people went to work for free and 
extracted raw
materials as their "hobby" (cutting down trees is fun.. it's just a hobby.. and 
running a
factory is fun, just a hobby), and maybe sugar/alcolhol powered servers where 
farmers did
open source sugar farming. Sourceforge is not free. Oh yeah, and I'm really 
sick and tired
of the excessive junk they try to push at the thinkgeeks store. Why are those 
toys not
open source? Why do I have to pay for those, when the people who created those 
toys should
be working in open source factories? The raw materials sitting on the earth are 
free.
Extracting the raw materials is just a hobby, it's fun.


"But he's had no problems with sourceforge, I don't know what you are talking 
about L505."
Good for him.

Complainer and Freedom Reality Checker,
L505

p.s. you get poor service at companies you pay for too, though. So it's not
neccessarily true that you get what you pay for. I've had several web hosts 
with poor
connections/service too, which I paid a monthly fee for. That's even worse.

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