On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:10:14 +0100 (CET)
Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
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> > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:37:13 +0100 (CET)
> > Michael Van Canneyt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's very noble of you. But also very vague.
> > > >
> > > > The gtk2 will never run on the level of gtk1. Most things can
> > > > and will be done better, some things like speed and library
> > > > stability can not be reached.
> > >
> > > Can you elaborate on this ?
> > > What is wrong with GTK that it is not possible to get it stable ?
> >
> > Don't misunderstand me. gtk1 can be used to write stable apps.
> > And the lacking features could be done with X calls and a few hacks
> > accessing the private structures of gtk1. But this code would be
> > harder to maintain and not portable.
> > Examples: unicode, rtl, window z ordering, focussing
>
> Out of these, I seem to be needing none...
More examples: The capturing can easily freeze X. The modal forms let
forms vanish from the taskbar. Form buttons show and hide on focus.
And with unicode I include typing accented characters.
> There are many other missing things which seem much more important to
> me, which are doable in GTK 1 as well...
Yes, of course it is a matter of priorities and how you define '1.0'.
> > Theoretically we could say, these are feature and not needed for a
> > 'stable' lazarus version, but IMHO and many users I talked too, this
> > would be taken as fake. These things must work better in a 1.0.
>
> But it will take ages to complete this ?
I don't think so.
I think it will take more time to fix and maintain
the gtk1 things, than to fix the missing gtk2 bugs, which must be done
anyway.
> Is a GTK 2.0 on the roadmap for 1.0 ?
> I would be glad if just the current bugs (not counting unicode)
> were fixed. That would be enough to warrant a 1.0 release.
> You have to release it once, after all...
>
> > > > The gtk1 lacks some features and has some bugs. The
> > > > gtk2 has other bugs.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO the gtk1 lacks too many things for a lazarus 1.0. We have
> > > > to take gtk2 for that.
> > >
> > > A bold statement, given that Lazarus works since ages with GTK 1 ?
> >
> > We got more spoiled in all these years. ;)
>
> As far as I'm concerned: Yes you are ;-)
:)
> I'm still very happy with the GTK 1 version. It does all I need.
> But maybe I'm too modest in my expectations :-)
I'm still happy with the gtk1 too.
Mattias
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