On Saturday 05 August 2006 10:54, Simon Roberts wrote:
> --- Andreas Yankopolus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Simon,
> >
> > > However, I know there should be more; how do I tie this together?
> > > Where do I start reading?
> >
> > I'd highly recommend ordering a copy of Real World Color Management.
> >
> > In the mean time, you'll likely find the following pages extremely
> > helpful:
> >
> > http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/color-management1.htm
>
> Thanks Andreas,
>
> I was perhaps a little too vague. I understand, at least at a basic
> level, what color management is about, why we need it and so forth. My
> question was more about how to go about making this happen in a
> Linux/ufraw/GIMP environment.
>
> Do I somehow get my profile attached to my monitor under X Windows?

No currently X is not color management aware.

> That would presumably correct my display system and make all output of
> any image "correct" regardless of the tool used. But I don't know if X
> allows that, though I've found some stuff that hints that it might or
> at least folks have given it some thought.

There is work underway.  I would expect it to be 6 months to a year before we 
start seeing this in even a basic form.

>
> If I don't correct the entire display, then presumably I have to have
> the corrections applied in each individual image editing program. GIMP
> 2.3 seems to suggest that it has some color management beginnings, but
> I have so far failed to work out how I do that. (This, if it's the
> right way to go, is properly a question for the GIMP lists, of course).

See the thread "Workflow with LCMS" that happened earlier today.  It has 
information on how to get the GIMP development branch to do this.  But 
CinePaint is a better option.

>
> How about output? I looked at the gutenprint information, and it seems
> to suggest that I have to use a profile created through gutenprint,
> rather than a generic one (in otherwords, I don't use a normal profile
> for the device, I need what amounts to a composite profile for the
> device and gutenprint in combination).

All you need to do is convert the image from the images current color space 
into the printer color space before sending it to the printer.  The hard part 
is getting a valid printer profile.

>
> Anyway, I'm sure I need much information from other places, but this
> seems like a list that probably has the wisest and most broadly
> educated folks on it, so I was hoping to get some early pointers. What
> tools should I be using? What might still not be possible? Can I even
> use the hardware generated profile for my monitor, given that it was
> created under windoze (dual boot, so the same physical hardware).

Profiling makes the assumption that everything in the processing chain of an 
image is identical.  In this case the Windowing systems and the video card 
drivers are different.  The profile is likely not totally correct even if you 
use a gamma loader to load the VCGT data.  But it may be closer than not 
having a profile at all or using a "visual input" type profile (like those 
created with AdobeGamma). 

>
> Does that make more sense as a question? Still rather broad based, but
> that's my problem, where to start!
>
> Thanks again for your help,
> Simon
>
>
> "You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether
> a man is wise by his questions." — Naguib Mahfouz
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