"Video materials that are not owned by
the Church or IRI may not be used in Church settings, including
Church-sponsored activities that are held in a home, without a license
for public viewing. Such materials include purchased or rented
videocassettes (including animated scripture videocassettes) and
recordings for television, cable or satellite programs."
- This is an interesting policy. At first, it seems pretty straight
forward, but it seems to primarily be directed at commercial MPAA videos- as
they are the one that have licensing for public viewing. I suppose a
Creative Commons license could be considered a license for public viewing,
and anything in the public domain would be considered licensed, by nature.
Unfortunately, the PBS documentary was probably not licensed under one of
these licenses. But don't give up hope, you can contact PBS and see if they
will issue you permission to use the clip for your purpose, this would in
effect be a license, and allow you to use it without violating Church
policy. Theoretically, as it is Fair Use, PBS (or the Copyright holder)
should not have a problem giving you a letter stating this. Unfortunately,
some people are paranoid/ greedy/ clueless when it comes to copyright law,
and therefore may not be cooperative. At any rate, it's worth a try!
-James Lee Vann
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1. Re: Capture of Streamed WMV (John Epeneter)
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3. RE: Capture of Streamed WMV (John Epeneter)
4. Re: RE: Capture of Streamed WMV (Joshua Earl)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:21:57 -0600
From: "John Epeneter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Ldsoss] Re: Capture of Streamed WMV
To: [email protected]
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Thank you all for your wise and prompt responses! Here is what
happened:
A member of our stake who happens to work for JVC had a friend in
another state who had DVR'd the program and had received a copy. Some
diagnostics (GSpot) to troubleshoot codec issues, and I finally had the
files. I know many of you will laugh at me for being just a Windows guy
(although I do have a RHEL box at home): I used Windows Movie Maker was
able to bring in the entire program, found the segment I wanted, pulled
it out and I am good to go.
Thanks again!
-John-
PS. Bro. McCown makes some really good comments. I will try to address
them below:
>The church has on numerous occasions re-stated their long-standing
policy
>prohibiting members from showing external material in a church setting
-- whether or not it is copyrighted.
I was not aware of this except in the context of teaching classes. I am
pinging someone at HQ to see if I can get the official policy. Thanks
for the heads-up.
>You might want to ask permission of the stake leaders, first.
Done. Thanks for double checking!
>As an aside, the PBS documentary was not that flattering...
True, but the testimony of Elder Marlin K. Jensen regarding his mission
experience taken by itself is very very powerful. After editing out
just that part and listening to it without watching the rest of the
program, I am repeatedly moved by it. If you have the program recorded,
you might want to watch just that part. It is about 2/3 way through the
second part. I think you will see why our SP is interested in showing
it to potential missionaries.
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:20:17 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Ldsoss] HT and VT Tool
To: [email protected]
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Hi everyone!
There has been a thread about HT/VT tools on here a while ago. Since
nothing new has come up since then (as far as I know) and my ambitions are
quite different, I'd like to bring up this topic once again.
Well, I'll start out with my situation: My ward is some 100 square miles
in size and lacks in active home teachers. Each companionship has up to 7
active families and another 10 - 20 less active (up to "hostile") ones. Due
to this and some more aspects, the MLS HT module (and more) doesn't really
fit our needs.
(Ideally, open sourcing MLS would solve all our problems, but that doesn't
seem to happen anywhere near in the future)
Right now, I'm working on a little extension allowing extended,
individualized reports and a more complex HT assignment and reporting
module, allowing goal tracking and warnings for families not having been
visited for a certain amount of time etc.
My first approach would be to hack something down using the exported csv's
and JPA (Hibernate) on JSE.
Since this project might be of use for someone else, I wanted to mention
it here. If some more people are interested and willing to help, I would
rather start on a JEE basis on JBoss or something like that.
Best wishes from Germany,
Benjamin
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:51:43 -0600
From: "John Epeneter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Ldsoss] RE: Capture of Streamed WMV
To: [email protected]
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BTW, as an FYI, here is the policy:
According the Church handbook, "Video materials that are not owned by
the Church or IRI may not be used in Church settings, including
Church-sponsored activities that are held in a home, without a license
for public viewing. Such materials include purchased or rented
videocassettes (including animated scripture videocassettes) and
recordings for television, cable or satellite programs."
So after the work, we won't be able to use the clip after all. Better
to be obedient though. The blessing is that I learned a lot more about
internet and video :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: John Epeneter
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:22 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: Capture of Streamed WMV
Thank you all for your wise and prompt responses! Here is what
happened:
A member of our stake who happens to work for JVC had a friend in
another state who had DVR'd the program and had received a copy. Some
diagnostics (GSpot) to troubleshoot codec issues, and I finally had the
files. I know many of you will laugh at me for being just a Windows guy
(although I do have a RHEL box at home): I used Windows Movie Maker was
able to bring in the entire program, found the segment I wanted, pulled
it out and I am good to go.
Thanks again!
-John-
PS. Bro. McCown makes some really good comments. I will try to address
them below:
>The church has on numerous occasions re-stated their long-standing
>policy prohibiting members from showing external material in a church
setting -- whether or not it is copyrighted.
I was not aware of this except in the context of teaching classes. I am
pinging someone at HQ to see if I can get the official policy. Thanks
for the heads-up.
>You might want to ask permission of the stake leaders, first.
Done. Thanks for double checking!
>As an aside, the PBS documentary was not that flattering...
True, but the testimony of Elder Marlin K. Jensen regarding his mission
experience taken by itself is very very powerful. After editing out
just that part and listening to it without watching the rest of the
program, I am repeatedly moved by it. If you have the program recorded,
you might want to watch just that part. It is about 2/3 way through the
second part. I think you will see why our SP is interested in showing
it to potential missionaries.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 00:19:05 +0300
From: "Joshua Earl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] RE: Capture of Streamed WMV
To: "LDS Open Source Software" <[email protected]>
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
As an answer to your original question of how to save streamed content, I
use a downloader once I have pulled the the MMS URL from the ASX file.
NetTransport works great for me. I have used this method to download
streaming video files several times including Conference video files since
I
live in an area where Conference is not broadcast.
-Josh
On 5/17/07, John Epeneter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> BTW, as an FYI, here is the policy:
>
> According the Church handbook, "Video materials that are not owned by
> the Church or IRI may not be used in Church settings, including
> Church-sponsored activities that are held in a home, without a license
> for public viewing. Such materials include purchased or rented
> videocassettes (including animated scripture videocassettes) and
> recordings for television, cable or satellite programs."
>
> So after the work, we won't be able to use the clip after all. Better
> to be obedient though. The blessing is that I learned a lot more about
> internet and video :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Epeneter
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:22 AM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: Re: Capture of Streamed WMV
>
> Thank you all for your wise and prompt responses! Here is what
> happened:
>
> A member of our stake who happens to work for JVC had a friend in
> another state who had DVR'd the program and had received a copy. Some
> diagnostics (GSpot) to troubleshoot codec issues, and I finally had the
> files. I know many of you will laugh at me for being just a Windows guy
> (although I do have a RHEL box at home): I used Windows Movie Maker was
> able to bring in the entire program, found the segment I wanted, pulled
> it out and I am good to go.
>
> Thanks again!
> -John-
> PS. Bro. McCown makes some really good comments. I will try to address
> them below:
> >The church has on numerous occasions re-stated their long-standing
> >policy prohibiting members from showing external material in a church
> setting -- whether or not it is copyrighted.
> I was not aware of this except in the context of teaching classes. I am
> pinging someone at HQ to see if I can get the official policy. Thanks
> for the heads-up.
>
> >You might want to ask permission of the stake leaders, first.
> Done. Thanks for double checking!
>
> >As an aside, the PBS documentary was not that flattering...
> True, but the testimony of Elder Marlin K. Jensen regarding his mission
> experience taken by itself is very very powerful. After editing out
> just that part and listening to it without watching the rest of the
> program, I am repeatedly moved by it. If you have the program recorded,
> you might want to watch just that part. It is about 2/3 way through the
> second part. I think you will see why our SP is interested in showing
> it to potential missionaries.
>
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