"Scott C. Best" wrote:
> 
> > In a typical setup, no sensitive information is stored on the firewall
> > machine (or gateway, as we call it), so I'm afraid I don't understand
> > your question.
> 
>         My impression was that the NoCatAuth process verified this
> login-password-MAC thing, and so would need to store....something?

True, but in a typical setup, none of this information is ever sent to
or stored on the gateway. That all happens over SSL to a (theoretically)
secure box elsewhere on the Internet. A large part of the design of
NoCatAuth is intended to preserve trust -- you don't give your password
to a gateway you don't necessarily trust, and the gateway doesn't trust
*you* to tell it who you think you are.

>         So radio's and radio silicon is okay to sell, but not radio
> service? :*) Not trying to bait you here -- I'm a big proponent of
> public-access 802.11 hotspots. So much so that I wish it could move
> at the velocity of something driven by capitalism rather than altruism.

For me, the distinction isn't Okay/Not-Okay, but
Interesting/Not-Interesting. If they think they can sell 802.11b service
commercially, more power to 'em.  But I probably wouldn't buy it, and it
has doesn't have any apparent bearing I can see on free software
projects...

> > Never looked at [LaBrea] before you mentioned it, but I'd say it's basically
> > outside the scope of our project. Other wireless groups have expressed
> > an interest in RIDS, to prevent luser antics on the wireless network,
> > and our attitude is basically the same. We do require transparent port
> > forwarding on the gateway firewall, however.
> 
>         From my perspective, I see 'theft of service' as, well, the
> point of any authentication scheme. Perhaps my perspective isn't
> that aligned with NoCat's?

I'm afraid I don't understand your question, then. In a nutshell,
NoCatAuth severely limits a client's access to network services (in a
customizable fashion) until authentication occurs. What would we need a
TCP hack like LaBrea for?

You mentioned you had other questions?

SDE

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