On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 11:25, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
> Hello Mike;
> 
> are you still around?

KP,
Yes.

> I'm getting more and more annoyed by the fact that I'm waiting for more than 
> a 
> year to see the documentation pages in a readable state - see 
> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/

Understood.

> It's really hard to design and write doc's  (esp. if one's native language 
> isn't english) - and a lot of people tried hard to provide guides and howto's 
> to alleviate the usage of LEAF appliances and to teach new developers about 
> the LEAF specifics.
> But as the documentation page presents itself to the users today, all of the 
> work is nearly useless. Even die-hard LEAF users do have difficulties to find 
> the chapters they are interested in. 
> And it is discouraging to work on new docs, if they are buried in a 
> conglomerate of titles, subtitles and subsubtitles.

I've posted numerous times mentioning the DocBook XSL guide. The last
time was on Jul 04, 2006. 

        DocBook XSL: The Complete Guide
        http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/

All the information on xsl customization of our docbook content
presentation is in that guide.

I haven't had time to generate a customization layer for us.

> Another issue is, that still the first guide is a Bering guide. This IMHO a 
> bad design decision - the latest Bering version is more than three years old. 
> Who expects a user to wade through all that stuff to find (newly written) 
> docs for Bering-uClibc or any other recent distribution? The way it is, it 
> looks for a mere user, that there is a project, which does have some new 
> releases, but a dead documentation. Which is not true!!! We are working 
> constantly to improve doc's and provide new documentation - but it's lost!

That is easy to fix. Just modify doc/leaf-doc-set.xml in cvs. It's just
a set of xincludes, and you have global write access in our cvs
repository.

http://leaf.cvs.sourceforge.net/leaf/doc/leaf-doc-set.xml?revision=1.6&view=markup

> Mike, I've asked you at least twice in the last year privately to solve this 
> issues - to no avail. Cause the situation is getting worth with our upcoming 
> 3.0 version, where new docs should be visible, I'm going to ask in public - 
> and yes I'm embarassed. 

No need to be embarrassed. Public discussion is what distributed open
source projects are all about.

> Less by the fact that nothing had happend -  but if you feel LEAF isn't your 
> project any longer, if you still have difficulties to work due to your  
> accident - why didn't you just asked for help for page maintenance?

I'll reply to this privately in a few days, with an admin group message.

> The way it is, is bad and it can just become better.

Anyone could have fixed/addressed your issues. I'm not the only capable
person in this project.

-- 
Mike Noyes <mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net>
http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/
SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs


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