Ray Olszewski wrote:
> 
> I don't want to start a fight, Matthew, but I can't just let this go by,
> since I don't want to cause a misunderstanding either.

No worrys.  I don't often get all
the facts right the first time.


> At 10:15 AM 10/28/01 -0800, Matthew Schalit wrote:
> ...
> >I realize that most of you don't consider
> >Oxygen to be a useful, but in reality, it's
> >a very complete and modular package.
> >Both libssl and libcrypto are available at:
> >
> >   http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/oxygen/packages/
> 
> Please be sure (especially you, David) that I consider Oxygen a very useful
> part of the LEAF family. I simply didn't realize these libraries were
> included in the current Oxygen. Before my earlier message, I did check the
> list shown at the "Packages" link from the LEAF Home Page, and found neither
> library mentioned on the (presumably out-of-date) list posted there
> describing the Oxygen Packages tarball.

I learned long ago to go directly to

   http://leaf.sourceforge.net/pub/oxygen/

if I wanted to see any current information.  I can't expect
the web side of things to be stable when the rest of the
program is in flux.  One of the things I've tried to work
on with David off the list is deploying a stable version.
I thought we had Oxygen-051401 pretty well ship-shape,
but the winds of change brought libc-2.1.3 into play.
So Oxygen has been in flux since June.

When I don't see any posts about Oxygen but then try
to use it and find a lot of errors, I get the
impression that I'm the only one using it.



> >And finally, since when does openssh work without openssl?
> 
> Actually, it only needs libcrypto, not the full-blown openssl. See below.

Ok.  I wasn't specific using the term openssl.  More recent 
OpenSSH requires OpenSSL to compile.  Whether the final sshd 
depends on libssl or libcrypto is a function of the OpenSSL 
libraries being static or shared, among other things.

 
> >If a recent openssh is available from J. Nilo, it probably
> >includes libssl and libcryto.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> If I get Jacques' current sshd.lrp package and un'tgz it, I find neither
> library included. If I run ldd against this sshd, I don't see libssl or
> libssl09 mentioned in its dependencies. 

I ran ldd on the OpenSSH-2.9.9p2 sshd and it doens't depend
on libssl, libcrypto, or libcrypt.  That's most likely because
my OpenSSL was built static only.



> (Nor does the sshd on my Debian
> workstation list libssl or libssl09 among its dependencies.) I do see
> libcrypt mentioned (for both sshd apps), but not libcrypto for Jacques'
> version ... since the smaller Debian sshd does depend on libcrypto, I'd
> infer that Jacques linked in the libcrypto stuff statically.

I think I agree.


> So the Oxygen package looks like the only way to get the libraries. 

Ok, but I guess I should mention that the newer libc-2.1.3 based Oxygen 
can use RedHat files, though I don't know all the details.

> The executable remains a problem.

Roger that,
Matthew

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