I use password authentication.

Everything is the same except that I use scp instead of ssh.

scp just hangs, I used the -v option and it gave me no errors. I've had
essentially the same problem across all the systems.

I didn't let it sit there that long, so I didn't wait long enough for
timeout errors.

I think there is actually one difference between ssh and scp, scp sets the
TOS flag differently (or so I have read). Bering seems to let you set TOS
flags based on where the traffic is going, I did disable the flags for
SSH, but to no avail.

I've read that there was a bug in kernels less that 2.4.2 where scp was
derailed by the TOS code not properly computing a checksum when it changed
the TOS type of packets going through.

But I have not checked to see what kernel Bering uses.

I've done scp lots of times through firewalls before and so I find it
really puzzling.

I just put a DNS server in the DMZ, so maybe I will give it another spin.

Rick

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Ray Olszewski wrote:

> Rick -- I read theough all 3 messages you posted, and from what you write
> there, scp *should* work. Whatever the problem, I'd doubtful that it related
> to Bering, since to it, there is no visible difference between an ssh and an
> scp connection going through it. So ...
>
> I noticed that the one thing missing from your reports is a description of
> what the actual failures looked like. What errors does scp report at the
> originating end? Ar ethe errors different on the Sun-Sid system and on the
> Win2K-CygWin system? Are there any relevant entries in the Bering-dmz
> system's logs?
>
> Also ... what sort of authentication are ssh and scp using on the dmz
> system? I'm used to using it (and scp) with userid/password authentication.
> If your Bering-dmz system uses, say, RSA authentication, there may be scp
> issues I'm not thinking of. (What issues? Beats me; if I knew, it wouldn't
> be something I'm not thinking of.)
>
> Third, just to be clear ... the successful ssh connections to the Bering-dmz
> Debian-Sid system from the Sun-Sid system and the unsuccessful scp
> connections between them do use the same userid, right? Same question for
> connections from the CygWin system. And the scp connections don't involve
> directories/files where there might be permissions problems with reading or
> writing (whichever way you are testing)?
>
>
> At 10:14 PM 4/14/02 -0700, Jeff Newmiller wrote:
> >On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Rick Price wrote:
> >
> >> I'm having trouble getting scp to work through a Bering firewall (it
> >> hangs).
> >>
> >> I have no trouble whatsoever with ssh.
> >>
> >> I have only tried to scp things from the outside into a machine in the
> >> dmz, and from the internal network into the dmz. No other incoming
> >> connections are allowed.
> >>
> >> I tried removing the ssh entries for TOS, but that did not seem to fix
> >> things.
> >>
> >> A friend had it work once with no problems from freeshell.org. But it now
> >> seems broken.
> >>
> >> I have used scp a lot before with no problems (but not with Bering). So
> >> far I have tried it from Debian Testing and OpenSSH on Solaris 8.
> >>
> >> My Bering firewall is configured to allow everything out from the internal
> >> network (both external network, and into dmz).
> >>
> >> Allow one port (tcp 1966) into the dmz from the Internet to port 22 on a
> >> machine inside.
> >>
> >> The outside network and the dmz are not allowed into the internal network.
> >>
> >> The dmz is allowed out.
> >>
> >> Does anyone else have these problems, or am I missing something?
> >
> >I don't use scp from outside a firewall... but scp passes through a single
> >ssh tunnel, so if ssh works, the networking portion of scp should work,
> >and Bering should have absolutely nothing to do with it.
> >
> >I would review the names for your hosts... each endpoint should be able to
> >identify the other.  To eliminate name resolution from the picture for
> >troubleshooting, use ip addresses in your file-specifications.
> >
> >Also, confirm that scp is installed and working on each end.  Try ssh'ing
> >to the other end, and scp'ing from there. Also try the -v option.
> >
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