First thanks all for feedback  As usual for me, my haste injects 
problems.  As a new information lead in I specifically suspect the cable 
company.  The cable modem over a period of time of low to no use, that is, 
when I'm away will be displaying upon my return an indication that it is 
having a signal strength problem.  Connectivity to the outside world from 
the workstation will have been lost.  A modem reset, svi dhclient restart 
and svi network reload will get the firewall back up.  An ipconfig /renew 
on the workstation and I'm back in business.  The cable company will be out 
Monday morning to check this out.

At 11:39 AM 4/30/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>At 12:04 PM 4/30/02 -0500, Dennis Stephens wrote:
> >Have started this morning with a cable modem problem and worked through it
> >with Tech Support.  Now the through put is less than half of what it should
> >be.  How can I determine that the problem is on the provider's side of the
> >system and not in my firewall or home network?
>
>For our purposes, a good starting place would be describing what you mean by
>"through put is less than half of what it should be". What throughput are
>you expecting, what are you getting, and how are you measuring it (include
>between where and where)?

The system in question is a Win 2k workstation behind a Dachstein firewall 
connected to a cable modem.  This provides me email, news and web surfing 
access.  The VPN is client software run on the workstation that is port 
forwarded to/through the firewall and connects to a VPN server at the 
company I work for.  No real VPN on the firewall except using 
ip_masq_ipsec.  The advertised rate the cable company is supposed to be 
supporting is 764k down and 128k up. Now that is bits so I need to divide 
by eight (give or take a bit) that would be ~95.5kb/sec.  A sample 5mb file 
they have at their site comes over at 45kb/sec peak to a low in single 
digits and sometimes times out.  A lot of internet surfing can time out, 
accessing the email account can time out. I have been able to document 
speeds on a test file in the past, one and two months ago, that were closer 
to 900k down and 200k up.

>I ask because the traceroute result you report below is not really a local
>throughput measure, and response delays of the sort you mention there are
>far from surprising. I couldn't repliacte your experience this morning, but
>then I'm "closer" to Yahoo (only 10 steps) than you apparently are.
>

snip, snip...

>In practice, with equipment of the quality you are using, I've seen about a
>10% hirt on throughput. But only at the higher levels of LAN-to-LAN routing
>(nominally 10 Mbps; in practice, about 5 Mbps). The usual range of offsite
>connections -- 384 Kbps to 1544 Kbps -- does not normally induce
>router-based throughput losses.
>
> >They are taking the
> >position (of course they would), that they can not see a reason for the
> >reduction.  The Dachstien floppy is working fine, with only a slight hole
> >poked through it for my VPN connection to the corporation.
>
>A 486/66 is plenty fast for a normal NAT'ing router, but it isn't very much
>horsepower for running a VPN. From what you wrote, I can't tell where in the
>system the VPN'ing is being done. If on the router, that could be slowing
>things down.
>
>When you are having speed problems, what does the router's CPU utilization
>look like? (Can someone remind me how to check this in Dachstein? I usually
>use top for this, but I don't think Dachstein includes it.)

I give, that was the basis of my question(s).  How do I document what the 
firewall is doing other than the packet handling results in system logs.


> >Everything is
> >working, the weblet, the bandwidth monitor et al.  Just working
> >slowly.
>
>Do you really mean that a connection from the Weblet to a host on the LAN is
>"working slowly"? If so, this suggests a local problem, not a cable-side
>problem.

No, that (weblet page) pops up crisp and fast.


> >How do I determine where a bottleneck or degradation is
> >occurring?  Did a traceroute from here to yahoo and had a hop that was 200+
> >ms and one other of the 22 hops that was 700+.ms.
>
>Where was "here"? The router or a host on the LAN behind the router? Was the
>VPN involved?

As described above here is where this email was created a workstation 
behind the Dachstein firewall.


>Depending on time of day and other details, delays of this sort can occur
>without the cable company (or anything else local) being at fault.
>
> >Truly appreciate any
> >guidance and greatly appreciate the programming and work of all that helped
> >with this great application.
> >

snip...

Ditto the last paragraph.  This forum always shows up in spades and for 
that I am grateful.

As Always...


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