Jeff,

I was surprised to see that both CuteFTP and WS_FTP Pro clients both
support SFTP.  You have to look around a bit to find it, but its there.

Bummer to have to open a range.  Luckily I only open FTP to a few Ips
anyway.

FTP/SSL is getting more and more popular (especially since HIPPA).  I
hope the netfilter guys do some work for it.

Sean

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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Jeff Newmiller
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:57 AM
> To: Sean
> Cc: 'Leaf-User'
> Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Ftpd-ssl behind Bering?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Sean wrote:
> 
> > I have an FTP/SSL server behind a Bering firewall.  Problem is this:
> > 
> > Oct 9 20:02:57 firewall Shorewall:net2all:DROP: IN=eth0 OUT= 
> > MAC=00:03:47:08:40:1a:00:30:7b:fa:18:a8:08:00 SRC=204.60.67.237 
> > DST=12.243.231.253 LEN=44 TOS=00 PREC=0x00 TTL=112 ID=57030 DF 
> > PROTO=TCP SPT=22656 DPT=32960 SEQ=1959109775 ACK=0 WINDOW=8192 SYN 
> > URGP=0 Oct 9 20:03:03 firewall Shorewall:net2all:DROP: IN=eth0 OUT= 
> > MAC=00:03:47:08:40:1a:00:30:7b:fa:18:a8:08:00 SRC=204.60.67.237 
> > DST=12.243.231.253 LEN=44 TOS=00 PREC=0x00 TTL=112 ID=57542 DF 
> > PROTO=TCP SPT=22656 DPT=32960 SEQ=1959109775 ACK=0 WINDOW=8192 SYN 
> > URGP=0
> >  
> > The setup is this:  3 interface Bering.  FTPD/SSL in a DMZ - 
> > 192.168.2.1.  Port-forwarding port 21 to the DMZ.  Connecting fails 
> > when it tries to connect the data channel.
> > 
> > The connection works great from the private network to the DMZ.
> > 
> > Ip_conntrack_ftp and ip_nat_ftp are loaded.  A standard FTPD 
> > connection works just great.
> 
> I know almost nothing about FTPD/SSL, but I know about FTP, 
> and I know about SSL.  I would have to say the chances of 
> ip_conntrack_ftp or ip_nat_ftp helping in any way with 
> FTPD/SSL would be very close to zero, since these modules 
> depend on examination of the information exchanged over the 
> control connection, which is what SSL is all about preventing.
> 
> I think you will have to fall back on forwarding a specified 
> range of ports for data connections and configuring your 
> FTPD/SSL server to restrict itself to those ports.  This is 
> only effective for a relatively small number of connections 
> per minute.
> 
> SFTP (ftp over ssl) is a much more practical secure data 
> transfer mechanism, since it uses only a single connection 
> for all data transfer.  
> Getting Windows users to use it may be a challenge at this 
> time, though, because it is not a widely accepted protocol.
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